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A telling excerpt from the PMO statement:
"They [Canada's negotiators] have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal."
I sense that Team Donnie Dementia can't keep themselves from renegotiating their own deal before it's even made.
It was always going to be that. You can't negotiate or trust who continuously bargains in bad faith and readjusts goalposts. We're not a fucking vassal state!
They thought we'd be so desperate to sign a deal to avoid tariffs that we'd just sign whatever the asked at the 11th hour.
Maybe the fucking Canadian paper can link copies of the PM's statements rather than a link to Shitter-X. The PM's office typed the dam statements out as a press release AND also posted them to Shitter-X. So the actual messages are out there.
Wow I found them. They have a whole bunch of them. Almost bike they are a professionally run office and not a child spamming stuff on social media for likes.
I think a digital services tax may be in order
Iβm not an IT person, but there has to be options for at the very least government to move away from Microsoft and google. We surely have IT people here in Canada, make it a national security tie, which it is, and develop our own tools. We need to stop relying on the Americans all together.
Instead, they are signing deals with Palantir, whee
Bill C-22 and others that are being forced through and almost law basically increase dependence and sharing with US government and private companies, and we are going to be seeing Flock cameras in Canada... more than we already are.
Deflock runs nicely on an esp C6. I haven't seen any of them out here on the west coast but will get them rekt as soon as they show up.
The first one in Quebec was torn down. every government agency except local police said they didn't do it. The local police said 'we have no idea' instead of 'we didn't do it'. Which probably means they did do it.
I asked Ontario's education ministry and they just said if alternatives existed then they would already be using them.
They need to look harder. EU is on the move β¦ off Microsoft, Google etc
The Canadian alternative to Google Classroom, Brightspace, is awful; and that's coming from a teacher who hates Google Classroom.
Then there's the 'choice' of Teams or Meet. Ugh.
The are plenty of Open Source software tools for writing and graphics.
Also the very obvious Linux or BSD based operating systems.
I feel they were just trying to gaslight me.
Instead we extended the deal with MS for 7 years. I don't recall if it was this year or last but since all this started.
Repeal Canada's DMCA harmonization.
Porque no los dos?
And an export tax on potash and oil.
And electricity.
You guys understand that in this trade war, those 3 things are your nuclear options, right?
You don't start by using your strongest weapons first. Because if those don't stop the war, what then? And, how would the Americans respond?
Better to have those in reserve, ready to be deployed. Make the other side worry that you could use them, and use that strength to aid in negotiations. Treat them as actual nuclear weapons. As a deterrent.
Sometimes, when the other side has the attention span of a toddler, it's necessary to remind them from time to time that the nuclear options exist, even if you don't plan to use them.
Nah, at this point the other nations should go Va Banque with their sanctions, and embargo until the USA collapses into +/- 50 independent countries. Toxic relationships deserve to have their bridges permanently burnt, no βanother chanceβ just to be fooled once again.
What a wild day.... this morning the news was that we were about to give in to a lot of stuff and we were mad at carney
Now it seems the PM has shown he has a spine and seemingly redeemed himself
Only the idiots were βmad at Carneyβ. That was all fake rumours and grandstanding by American media outlets. It was never released about what was in the deal.
Rumour. Letβs not call that news.
He was getting played. Of course they were going to throw in crazy shit at the 11th hour, but Carney should have seen this coming.
Trump needs a deal before the US midterms. Just let the tariffs happen for two months and come back to a deal when Trump's balls have been cut off at the midterms.
Of course they were going to throw in crazy shit at the 11th hour, but Carney should have seen this coming.
Just because he didn't publicly state that he expected it, doesn't mean it was a surprise.
Carney and the negotiating team know who they are dealing with. They know more about who they are dealing with than any of us armchair quarterbacks yammering on social media.
sooooo US alcoholic off shelves again?
I hope so.
Personally, I don't buy the stuff. Never really did. But I love how the Americans get bent out of shape over us not selling it.
All right, Carney got saved from himself
Remember that all of the "Carney gonna surrender" newspapers are US owned.
Or is he one of those rare politicians who listens to the people of the country and shifted gears accordingly? While some will suffer and some will despise the lack of a deal, most Canadians are collectively digging in for the long haul in a show of support.
Or is he one of those rare politicians who listens to the people of the country
Ha! Unless he's been replaced by the pod people in the past couple of weeks I do not think that is likely. I would be betting on Trump doing what he always does rather than Carney doing what he always doesn't.
Oh absolutely. Any concession to the US is greeted with contempt and further demands.
Cool, so what we already knew was going to happen, happened.
Colour me shocked. Glad to know we wasted so much time trying to negotiate with what may as well be a bunch of shit-flinging apes when we could have been putting more focus in more deals with the EU, establishing CANZUK, and literally any other endeavour that doesn't include the U.S..
It's not a waste of time. We need to do what we diplomatically can (while making other plans).
You can't really do anything diplomatic when the other side continually showcases they lack any respect for diplomacy whatsoever.
The moment the man in charge literally called himself an idiot when asking who'd ever sign a deal like CUSMA, it was an admission that they don't care. We got hit with tariffs for reasons that weren't based on facts. We got rid of the digital services tax as a concession already. We already had the CRTC roll back a decision to triple financial contributions to Canadian content from online streaming services. Then came the Gordie Howe Bridge dispute where we made concessions for tolls on a bridge we paid for. We were going to concede even more with the removal of alcohol bans.
Yet, it's just now that Carney and the Liberals realise that this isn't worth it? Any progressive in this country could have told you this from the get go.
You can't really do anything diplomatic when the other side continually showcases they lack any respect for diplomacy whatsoever.
The Americans aren't the only ones to consider.
Everyone other country who Canada (and the USA) has a deal with, or is negotiating with is also watching.
They can see who is being reasonable and diplomatic, and they can see who is being a shit flinging monkey that can't be trusted.
Not wrong, but it's hard to ignore the shit flinging apes that have been our most natural trading partner since we share the largest land border on earth.
It is unfortunate to have to spend as much energy as it requires to maintain even a semblance of care for it though
They think we're fucking idiots. The whole US government is corrupt with chronies making billions off chaos, whether it's the middle east or Canada. So every Monday the US has a deal with Iran and by Wednesday they are bombing the straight. We watch gas prices bounce up and down 20 cents a litre daily.
Trump does not want a stable deal with Canada. He didn't want it in his first term, he doesn't want it now.
They could do some pretty asymmetric stuff. Order tne entire government off Xitter and Facebook for instance.
Or sue Facebook and Xitter out the wazoo like other countries are doing.
Every Canadian institution should be off X.
By bringing non-starters at the negotiations, it's maga themselves that suspended trade talks. They never wanted to negotiate and just wanted to waste everyone's time.
Canada/Carney should have discussions directly with auto makers, Deere, Caterpillar, Boeing to discuss what they can do to keep Canadian market access. Auto sales in Canada were the same level as UK and France, despite half the population in 2024. Competition to Deere/Caterpillar for China is 10x better value.
On AI, Ford said something stupid about if Ontario doesn't build them, then Trump will. Huawei has a 50% cost advantage over Nvidia, and there are plenty of open models optimized for it. These models can be tuned for Canada if they need be, but the point would be that serving open models at low latency to Americans and Canadians is good competition to US.
Norad is how the US survives only thanks to Canadian cooperation. Canada has been very weak in continuing military integration, and "values", with the US. It's time for US to pay their fair share for our assistance in their survival.