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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Step 1) Declare war upon your "enemy" (friend, like Putin)

Step 2) Say the war is unsustainable

Step 3) Officially pay Russia billions of billions of dollars

And y'all said he's stupid

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This is geat news. The last time Iran got economic reprieve their economy grew by 6-7% per year and purchasing power grew.

That said this won't happen again if Israel has any say in the matter.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Isreal has de-facto veto power over any deal since they can just fly over and blow up something if a deal gets signed that they don't like and most of the US political establishment will not only not criticize them but they'll defend them.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They can fly over and drop some bombs, but that's about it. They don't have the ability to fight a protracted war or to occupy anything larger than, say, part of South Lebanon. No matter how powerful their military is, they don't have the population to sustain an intensive conflict of any scale or duration. All they can do is cause random destruction.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

It all depends on how this is funded, and this is mostly a colonization trap for Iran. US has recently controlled the budgets of Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Venezuela. There is full threat of confiscation for any non-compliance, and this was done to Afghanistan.

Funding could be extorted from GCC colonies, and like Venezuela, pressure for US major oil companies. There is zero history of any US investment in these colonial trap arrangements. Just bribery of political class to keep US control as long as feasible. Like Venezuela (and Iraq), US oil companies would be reluctant to spend cash because future nationalization is a likely retaliation to US extortion.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 132 points 1 week ago (8 children)

So Trump, in his racist fury, canceled an existing plan that prevented Iran from producing nuclear weapons and permitted rigorous investigations. While this plan did grant access to several billion dollars those funds were either Iranian funds formerly frozen as part of prior sanctioned nuclear activities or repayments for a trade deal the US had failed to uphold their side of.

To replace this deal, "No new wars" Trump started a new war which ended up closing one of the world's most influential shipping lanes, revealed to Iran how easy it is to close that shipping lane, revealed to the world how affable the US military is, lost the war he started and will have to actually pay reparations in an amount double the number of funds the Obama plan gave access to. The end result of this will be that Iran has fewer restrictions (though still no nuclear weapon), more money, and greater respect in the region.

Trump will still claim he got a better deal.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

Trump will still claim he got a better deal.

Regardless of what else happens, it's always a safe bet that Stump will lie.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 days ago

Trump will still claim he got a better deal.

And 40% of the country will believe him, and nothing anyone says will ever change their mind.

Yeah but nobody's bugging him about the TRUMP-EPSTEIN (TM) files anymore. So there's that. 😬

[–] volore@scribe.disroot.org 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's in addition to the daily White House Photoshart, I presume

[–] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

They've moved on to generating images and videos with ShartGPT now.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I have never seen affable used in this way, presumably as a pejorative. Do you mean this in the sense of them being benign?

I’m genuinely not criticizing; I love learning new things and my question is genuine.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

I have never seen affable used in this way

That's because it's being misused.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah, was going for the "mild/benign" meaning.

Basically, "the greatest military in the world, which has NeVeR lOsT a WaR, couldn't keep the strait that was already open open, lost several planes, and had multiple bases struck."

That military seems mild or benign.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

And ran out of the expensive munitions.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you. I didn’t even know this was one of the definitions until seeing your use of it and looking it up. Appreciate you expanding my understanding.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Even the "mild/benign" meaning generally carries a tone of positivity (like a store clerk is trained to be affable--even at their worst they'll still be polite) so it's not an exact literal fit here.

I was using it more as a tongue and cheek jab attempting to highlight more than just the inadequacies, but to paint them as non-threatening. Obviously that's not case, the US did carry out strikes in Iran and has certainly been threatening both in language and act.

In a more professional setting devoid of my joke attempt I would have probably used "inept."

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago

I'm thinking it was an autocorrect snafu for 'fallible'.

Yup that all tracks

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

revealed to the world how affable the US military is

Is "affable" really the word you meant here?

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, was going for the "mild/benign" meaning.

Basically, "the greatest military in the world, which has NeVeR lOsT a WaR, couldn't keep the strait that was already open open, lost several planes, and had multiple bases struck."

That military seems mild or benign.

[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

and united states citizens will fall for it again. The united states population and political system created this.

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 46 points 1 week ago

That’s not the onion.

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh man this article is good. Imagine being a soldier in this stupid war, dying even, so some cunts can pull some real estate deals in Iran.

If you’re in the military, you’re trash.

[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being in the military in the US is pretty much a humiliation ritual at this point. Being in the military in Israel is just going straight to hell, hell on earth as well hopefully.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Being in the ~~military in the~~ US is pretty much a humiliation ritual at this point.

FTFY

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago
[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

If true, this is the USAs version of "oops, sorry"

It appears that everyone but Trump was right, trying to claim the strait would be very difficult and expensive, practically impossible without boots on the ground.

I think this deal is probably the best the USA can do at this point, but I don't think Trump will agree. What a moron. There's no clearer sign of the USAs rapid decline than having this clown as our President, once again I am humiliated.

[–] Nobody@anarchist.nexus 25 points 1 week ago

$300 billion dollars is a ridiculous figure. This deal is going to be structured in a way that benefits Trump and his cronies. They’ll only pay Iran such an enormous amount if a significant part of it is captured as bribes.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Welcome to the new reality. He's going to drain every American dry.

[–] underThunder@thelemmy.club 20 points 1 week ago

Regarding this administration I wake up every day and think "what the fuck is happening now?"

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

It'll work too

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Sounds like a loser fund

[–] brem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Donald Trump is rather bland

Donald Trump is a stupid "man"

So all the "king's" fools & all the tool's "men"

Had to rename Iran's list of demands

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Obama accomplished it for half as much.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

All Obama did was release Iranian money that he and previous presidents had frozen, after they agreed to the treaty.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I wonder what he said to Israel about it.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

400 million is significantly less than half of 300 billion.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/how-much-money-did-obama-send-to-iran-and-why-24d82a

What exactly was paid: $1.7 billion, not $150 billion

The specific sum at issue was about $1.7 billion: the U.S. agreed to settle a claim for $400 million in principal that Iran had paid the United States before the 1979 revolution, plus roughly $1.3 billion in accumulated interest and arbitration adjustments, which together were delivered in 2016 [1][3][7]. Claims that the Obama administration “gave Iran $150 billion” are inaccurate: that larger figure conflates Iran’s overall frozen assets abroad and repeated political rhetoric, but is not what the U.S. treasury paid as a settlement in 2016 [6][8].

[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The 300 billion will be paid to Trump directly or indirectly eventually