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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 135 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Americans know. They just don’t have any idea what to do, and no single person can solve the problem.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 48 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It might take the world.... Going to war.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 113 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The world doesn't need to go to war, it needs to stop being afraid of a major economic downturn.

Stop everything with the US: trade, travel, everything. Deport all Americans back to their native soil. Isolate them, and see how quickly things change.

While we're at it, do the same with Russia and Israel. And maybe China?

Would it cause a global economic crisis? Probably. But people are already dying—it's worth it if we can actually end a genocide and a couple wars.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 45 points 3 months ago (6 children)

So much this. Just 100% stop all trade with the United States. All of it. And zero travel. Then ban US travel to your country. Give them the isolation they crave.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 months ago

No, definitely impose sanctions and stop trade, but don't ban travel. Let the brain drain do its thing.

Some of us do not consent to the actions of this rogue administration, and we don't crave isolation. Some of us desperately want a way out of this country.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Deport all Americans back to their native soil.

I haven't lived there in a decade and only maintain citizenship to have access to my parents in cases of emergency. Why on earth would you send me back to that hell-hole? All that accomplishes is destroying my family, my business, my wife's ability to live, etc.

[–] BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't agree with them, but I do see the logic. Send back a bunch Americans who saw good reason to leave and perhaps they'll be forced to try to make it more like wherever they fled to.

Or it's just vindictive "Trump deports people so we deport people" idiocy, idk

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

but I do see the logic.

I don't. What are they going to do? A lot of people I know who live abroad have done so for decades and have no living family in the US. All it would do is introduce a bunch of homeless people to the US and destroy lives. I voted against the current administration and disagree with everything they do. Guess they should just make my wife homeless, get my house repossessed, destroy my career, and probably just end with me killing myself because of where I was born. Must be big fans of ICEs work, I guess.

[–] AbeilleVegane@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In this hypothetical scenario, maybe you could just renounce your citizenship (and stop paying taxes to the US).

In all cases, retaliation against a fascist regime will destroy lives, but it's generally the better option. I mean people suggest to stop trading with the US or crash their economy, this is not victimless either.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago

From an EU perspective that sounds like isolationism, I mean the USA, China, Russia, ... would basically be forced to trade more between them.

It could work if selective, but we'd need the rest of the world on our side first or it'd just backfire.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago

Don't deport americans. Some of us want to escape.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nah. Just start selling the US bonds that backs the US currency. The USD with crash in value.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Most of the people in charge don't have their value in USD, they have it in material and speculative value. The crash of the USD will hurt everyone but them.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago

Crashing the USD would be its demise as the global reserve currency, which would evaporate all that speculative value overnight.

Sure, the oligarchs would still have their mansions, bunkers, and bullet-proof SUVs, but their primary source of leverage and influence would be gone. They would become irrelevant.

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Would this finally cause the american population enough distress to heave themselves off their armchairs, put down their hotdogs, turn off the TV, and get out the guillotines?

[–] Soulg@ani.social 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No that idea died when the military became infinitely more advanced than the populace

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 3 months ago (6 children)

But when you suggest things they can do (it starts with s and rhymes with trike) all you get are excuses. I'm personally done letting Americans off the hook.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I agree, but the ability to strike in America was purposefully neutered. The only real way to strike effectively would be, at best, extra-legal, if not outright illegal. It's not like most of the civilized world. The "leader of the free world" has made it very hard for the citizens to freely stand against it.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

How do you strike if you're already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.

Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.

How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?

Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?

Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn't qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.

So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.

It's not about making excuses, it's about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To add to that yeah, there's a lot of guns in this country. In a lot of people's hands. Including those OKAY with all this.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you're a white conservative.

But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point...

There was an antifa member who was killed by US Marshals under Trump's first term. He wasn't allowed to surrender, he was killed on the spot.

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago

Fucking shoot me then

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I and everyone I know is one missed paycheck away from homelessness.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

American hero Tommy “iron sights” Crooks?

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

More like Tommy "crooked sights" Irons

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Personality cults have trouble transitioning to a new leader. North Morea did it, but otherwise it doesn't really happen often. One aneurysm may be all we need.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 9 points 3 months ago

We won’t be so lucky. He’s dying in his 90s

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

and no single person can solve the problem.

That's a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yeah well we had “No Kings” and people came together, yet nothing happened. A few million people showed up and then went home.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

and then went home.

That's part of the problem.

Effective protesting isn't a "one and done" thing.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I agree. And that is why the US is done for. No one is willing to stay until we get what we want… and want is subjective.

Best to pack up and move to another country if they can.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

That's practically impossible for majority of people in the USA. Even to get to Canada is a long, arduous process with lots of trips and cost associated with it if they want you.

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

Remember what Obama did to Occupy Wall Street? That's what happens when Americans organize. It's only worse now.

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[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago

Any of the SS guys could solve it pretty quick

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