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Ehhhhhhhhhh, coke is a weird one.
I'm generally coherent on a lot of drugs and I retain my awareness. Coke? Nope! I'll eventually black out and lose any sense of myself on it.
It's fun, but damn if you won't wake up somewhere and have no idea wtf is going on.
On alcohol, if I get too drunk, I'll just fall asleep.
I mean... it is waaaay better than whiskey. Which is why it's worse than whiskey.
Way easier to die from cocaine...
"The lethal dose of cocaine is 82.5 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg)."
https://www.addictionresource.net/lethal-doses/cocaine/
"Blood alcohol concentrations (BAC) of 0.31% to 0.45% are considered life-threatening. The lethal dose of alcohol is about 5 to 8 grams per kilogram of body weight (g/kg)."
https://www.addictionresource.net/lethal-doses/alcohol/
Google tells me 1 shot of whiskey is about 14g of pure alcohol, so a fatal dose for someone weighing 81kg (180 pounds) would be 29 to 46 shots, or 43.5 to 69 ounces. (Nice!)
A standard 750ml liquor bottle is 25.3 ounces.
Well, we also don’t include all the drunk driving deaths, or the “he gets like that when he drinks” abuse. Is cocaine worse? Yea probably. Is drinking safe enough for the favourable comparison just because it’s harder to OD? Ehhhhh…
I don't even know where to being with that. But we at least know you don't drink.
I mean, yeah, but if you had it regulated to the point where people could dose accordingly, it would lower overdoses. Street stuff, you could get a batch 5x more potent than the last and take the same amount and die. I've always been a legalize and tax all drugs person. People are going to do it regardless, and making it illegal creates cartels and clogs up the jails with nonviolent offenders.
Now how many average sized lines of cocaine is 82 milligrams?
I guess it depends on the line, but 1/8th of an ounce is 3.5g, 2 of those could be fatal for someone 180 pounds.
https://pacificsandsrecovery.com/what-is-an-eight-ball-of-coke/
That's quite a large amount of coke though
And as the normal route is too snort it, I'm pretty sure you will have a hard time to get that much stuff inside you at once
The point is how much you need to take for an active dose (eg getting drunk/high) and when you take this into account - it's actually more likely you'll kill yourself getting drunk than doing coke.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg
I like the cut of his jib!
I’m here for it
I’ll stick to caffeine, thanks. An exacerbation of the problems I already have is absolutely not what I want.
I dunno if legally selling blow to the public is the right idea, but I also know a possession ticket/jail stint hasn't deterred many coke heads either.
Pretty sure people can OD from cocaine quite easily.
Yep, and alcohol OD (poisoning) happens all the time and isn't that hard to do either.
Edit: It sounds like I am all for cocaine, I never liked it, or any upper for that matter. It's easier to die from cocaine for sure.
Luckily, alcohol doesn't have this problem
The title leaves out another gem in the second part of the sentence: "...and it's only illegal because it comes from Latin America".
Now it has it all, the science-defying stupidity, the nationalist undertones and the "other countries are not treating us fairly" hint.
The tragedy of our times is that there really is one in every village and now they discovered that if they band together they can elect one as President.
Colombia is forced to fight this war against cocaine farmers and traffickers, the government against its own people. If Colombia doesn't continue this war the US will force all of its trading partners into a trade embargo and Colombia will be shut off from the rest of the world. The Colombian president is trying to ease the pressure and bring light to the situation. His statement about the illegality because it comes from South America is valid, although possibly not 100% verifiable. We have an opiate crisis going on in the US, driven by big pharma, people are pushed to get prescriptions they don't need. It's still legal, nobody went to jail for selling oxycontin and all that other shit. The war on drugs was always a war on counter culture and minorities.
Well that fentanyl came from China as an attempt to flood us with drugs and destroy us from the inside. So, big pharma only gets part of the blame for opioid problems on the street.
Who did get the people addicted?
Also US intelligence and military are notoriously involved in drug trafficking around the world. Just that Fentanyl can be made completely synthetically without needing a plant based precursor and also as it is used in medicine regularly, it is quite easy to source the resources or just divert from a medical plant.
Some Chinese, even if organized by the government, joining the party is hardly the main issue.
Is it legal in Colombia?
Several things determine the danger of a drug. One of the most important is the "distance" from pleasure to lethal dose. In that regard alcohol is way less dangerous than kokain.
Another risk is how easy you build dependency, and again you can easily enjoy a shared bottle of wine for dinner, or a beer during a break, and even get drunk in the weekend every weekend for years, all without building a dependency, you really have to abuse alcohol to become an alcoholic.
So objectively by the standard measures, kokain is way more dangerous than alcohol. Even without accounting for the extra dangers from kokain being illegal, like the addition of adulterants that are very dangerous.
I have no strong opinion for/against legalizing cocaine, but your statements don't seem to align with the literature I've read on the lethal dose of alcohol vs cocaine - which I've always seen list alcohol as worse.
For example the chart below which measures the dose required for an active dose vs a lethal dose as a ratio - alcohol is worse.
Source listed here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg
If you get drunk every weekend for years you are an alcoholic and you just don't know it.
The % of alcohol drinkers who are problematic drinkers is extremely high (about 25% of alcohol drinkers in Canada to give an example), people just don't understand what is problematic drinking. 10% of the US population over 12 y.o. has dealt with alcoholism in the last year.
It's 15 drinks per week for men and 8 for women to be considered a heavy drinker. That's 1 to 2 a day, or just all in the weekend. These are determined by the US CDC. Source
Here in The Netherlands the amount of glasses is higher to be considered a problematic drinker (21 for men and 14 for women) but it is recommended to drink less then 1 glass per day to avoid alcohol related diseases. Source
Because alcohol is so normalized people don't see it as problematic as other substance abuse but if alcohol would have been invented recently it would have been listed as a class A drug. Alcohol is more toxic to the human body than cocain.
Yeah. I lived through the 80s. Coke is BAD. Much worse than booze.
Now weed. That's a perfect good.
Am I nuts, or would legal coke just result in people switching to meth and other amphetamines?
Idk. I have watched people discover Darknet markets for years now, and the most common line of thinking that I see whenever someone tries good cocaine for the first time is "I wish I could sustain this feeling for longer, and cheaper." Everyone is always eventually disappointed by what cocaine can offer.
