ALoafOfBread

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[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's just what has happened on Earth, though. Also I didn't specify they'd be coming to us - if they landed here in something we'd recognize as a rocket, then I'd suspect we'd have a lot more in common with them.

But what if they evolved in gas clouds? Or hell what if they perceive higher dimensions? What if it's a 4D being, capable of instantaneous long distance travel through spacetime - they don't need math for that. Or even language. Those are far-out scenarios, but I'm just saying that it takes a very earth-centric, anthropocentric view of intelligent life to assume the sorts of things that'd make communication possible.

[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

My trouble is that they may have a totally different theory & understanding of numbers, language, symbols, names, etc.

For instance, what if they don't have the concept of symbolic representation of objects/concepts in visual/auditory ways? That seems incredibly fundamental from an anthropocentric perspective, but their neurology would be totally different - maybe they evolved a different way to store concepts.

Or say they do, but we get to math - and their understanding of math is similar to ours and they represent it symbolically, but beyond that their perception of time, self vs other distinction (theory of names type stuff), senses are so radically different that we can't ever reach enough common ground to communicate.

Maybe they communicate with like, pulses of IR light that we can detect & reproduce, and they represent numbers basically like morse code and they have words for standard mathematical and logical operators. And maybe they have hearing and can see the visible light spectrum - just to make things easy.

But

  • their neurology is such that they can't comprehend the link between sounds and meaning
  • same with visible light. It'd be like us seeing magnetic fields and making the leap to thinking planets were talking to us.
  • they don't have an understanding of names. Individuality for them is not a concept they understand - there are individuals, but they are not referred to. Maybe they speak in generalities & objectives. Not "you, go farm the field" but "satiate hunger" - perhaps who does and where/how this is done is not particularly important or it is marked with pheromones or context or something.
  • they do not have phonetic components of speech.

So, how do we communicate?

We can broadcast numbers at them maybe. We place 2 apples in front of them and broadcast "two" on repeat in distinct, discrete sequence: Two. Two. Two.(..--- ..--- ..---) Maybe we start throwing the word for apple in there in morse code. ( ..--- . - .--. .--. .-.. .)

To get the message, they'd need to understand that:

  • sequences of IR pulses generated by things other than them can have meaning. Granted, seems simple enough.

  • the length and cadence of the pulses matter. We could presumably figure that out by observation & tailor our communication to them, granted.

  • intention is to name the two objects in front of them. Hmmmm that is suddenly a bit harder since they don't typically view names the same as we do. But maybe.

  • phonemes can be represented with IR flashes. Oops, they don't have a concept of those... they'd have to make a massive leap to understand that. But maybe they'd view the word as an ideogram.

  • the 2 we were broadcasting referred to the quantity of the apples and not some other feature. Not a given at all, they could take it to mean any number of things, in theory.

  • the specific type of thing that an apple is can have a name. Not a given.

  • that we are referring to the apples and not to something else. Maybe the act of presenting objects, the act of flashing IR light, the concept of presence vs non-presence, etc.

  • that we were labelling the thing as apple and not instead talking about what you use it for, where it comes from, how old it is, it's scent, who knows - could be anything.

It is not a given that they get past apple. The likelihood, I think, goes up when you contrast it with something else, but what if they don't understand comparison and contrast similarly to us?

Okay. Say they understand apple. We go through thousands of things to build up their vocabulary of objects. Maybe we show them someone eating an apple next and they know the word for human and the word for apple.

They have to understand what verbs are, have some concept of grammar, the relation of things in the sentence, the conveyance of cause/effect - the specific human is causing the action of the apple being eaten.

"Human eat apple" could really mean anything in this context. Perhaps they don't know that words like these presented in a different context have the same meaning. Or they don't understand eating in this case - like it is an unimportant concept, the concept they understand is what is achieved by eating.

Anyway. It all gets very abstract. But, what I'm trying to say is: thinking we can communicate with creatures that evolved in a totally different context assumes their neurology is strikingly similar to ours in ways I think are honestly far-fetched. Some of the above could be solved, with difficulty, given enough time and motivation, but it takes a lot more assumptions than I think people typically realize regarding how anthropic the aliens would be. And the challenges go beyond mere logistics & extend to fundamental linguistic/psychological/philosophical/neurological barriers.

[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (25 children)

People always say that, but like... what does that actually mean? Like we could work from first principles and just build a system of communication based on math?

Gotta say I have my doubts. I have no idea what alien cognition would be like.

[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

Add a jalapeno iris stuffed with a cream cheese pupil right in the middle of those bad boys. Got yourself an evil eye hamdog

[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Them's rookie numbers

[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is what I ended up doing, and it works great. I knew about aliases, but didn't really use them at all - I didn't know about bash functions though.

So now I have a few functions in .bashrc for short things and am just aliasing shell scripts for easy access to more complex tbings I don't want cluttering the file

[โ€“] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

But... but... the DOW

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

Does anybody else have a library of saved commands/scripts? What's in it? How do you organize it? Is there anything you'd want to share that other people might find helpful?

I do. I keep it in VS Code and store complicated (for me) stuff that I can't remember or worry I might not.

  1. Playlist download with yt-dlp with all my best settings, adding playlist index as track number.

  2. Ffmpeg metadata cleaner for music. Searching title for a bunch of specific strings to remove, setting the band, album, etc. and saving these in a new folder.

  3. Desktop file contents for when I need to create one for an appimage

  4. The script I used to bind audio output switching to a hotkey

  5. How to use ADB for when android blocks sideloading the normal way and I inevitably forget what Android Debug Bridge is or how to use it.

Linux Mint btw. Also yes, I am a noob.

 

Bad here is obviously loaded and murky, but I mean someone who habitually caused suffering to others either intentionally or with wanton disregard for their well-being. Someone who profited off of inciting violence against others. Someone who was unrepentant and unlikely to have changed their ways.

That happened today. My reaction was... not compassionate and equanimous, but I am unsure how one should view events like these.

On the one hand this was a person theoretically capable of goodness and compassion even if they did not typically manifest those traits. They had a family who loved them. They were a person deserving of compassion as are their family members.

On the other hand, this person will not continue to cause suffering to others. Their death might be used as a pretext to cause greater suffering, but they themselves will not cause further harm. The way by which their capacity for harm was diminished was not good, but the fact that they will not continue to cause harm is good.

Are there suttas or any other works that touch on these topics? Or on right view/right thought about people who have caused a great deal of harm dying/being killed?

Edit:

I found 2 suttas that clarify the Buddhist view:

The question I am still struggling with is how Buddhism would address the paradox of tolerance - that toleration of the intolerant will lead to a destruction of tolerance.

 

Pretty much the title. I've been training for 5 months, injured for 4 weeks in there - just came off of a 2wk recovery from a knee injury. I'm relatively young, 6ft 175lbs, in pretty decent shape.

But I overexert myself to the point of vomiting nearly every class. It's frustrating and embarassing.

I've started doing more cardio and have improved a lot in that regard, but it doesn't seem to help at all on the mats. Do I just need to do more cardio? Is there something nutrition-wise that could help? Open to any and all suggestions.

Edit: Thanks everyone for the advice. I will try 1) not try so hard and ask partners to help me with that, 2) advice to talk to my doctor - I have in the past and he wasn't much help - but it got me to do some research... some medication I'm on can cause hyponatremia, which can cause nausea and vomiting especially after exercise... so I'm going to try a saline solution before/during class and may report back if it works.

Edit 2: took a 3% hypertonic salt solution to class today and it seems to have worked. I asked a higher belt to really push me in a difficult roll after class to test it. Not certain yet, but seems to have fixed the vomiting

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