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[–] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world 133 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)
[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I had to reread that headline a few times before I remembered Massive Attack is a band 😑

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

There's actually a story around the band name: during the first gulf war, around '91, they changed it to just Massive because they did not want to appear like they're endorsing it.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ever since the first Gulf war.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

They kinda did tricky dirty. But over all yeah.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 85 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Cuz ya know, if there's one thing Singapore is touchy about considering its long historical ties with the Middle East, it's Palestine and the fate of Jews and Arabs there.

Honestly, what do they care? Don't they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 125 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (36 children)

They care about enforcing censorship and keeping a lid on "politics" disrupting "social harmony". Once again Palestine is an issue that unearths the deeper fractures and contradictions in a society.

[–] RustySharp@programming.dev 38 points 3 weeks ago

Also, guess which middle eastern country regularly sends their officers to train the Singaporean military? Hint: it's not Palestine

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

keeping a lid on “politics” disrupting “social harmony”

Also known as punishing people who talk back to authority.

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[–] NewDark@lemmy.today 21 points 3 weeks ago

Well, theres this really insane military power that they're close trading partners with that really cares about their little ethnostate vassal.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Don’t they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?

Palestine-Singapore is not that far away compared to, say, Palestine-USA.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I love Singapore, but I have a question. Would you ban a music band, if they waved:

  • 🇺🇸
  • 🇷🇺
  • 🇮🇱
  • 🇹🇼
  • 🇺🇦

Asking for a friend.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

According to the article, yes:

The decision is tied to Singapore’s policies on public speech, which prohibit publicly displaying foreign national emblems without a permit or exemption.

You can freely wave the flag of Singapore in Singapore, but for any other national flag, there could be a problem if you don't get permission first.

There's just a lot of weird laws in Singapore.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean as long as it's applied universally, I'm not completely against banning flags of other nations.

The problem is when the Israel flag is allowed yet the Palestinians flag isn't.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the problem is just having weird laws against freedom of speech, but that's just me.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean. Banning other flags in specific places seems like it could be appropriately applied but also potentially abused.

Not sure there is a right answer. I share your concerns with censorship. It never stops with one thing.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

Singapore recognized the Palestine nation?! /S

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Why do you love Singpore? Genuinely asking as someone who visits the place at least once a year.

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[–] giraffes@kbin.earth 36 points 3 weeks ago

Saw their show the other night in Korea where they showed the same flag. The whole show was epic and laid out a lot of uncomfortable truths. The whole show is here for anyone interested: https://youtu.be/mW_c909VqVU

[–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 35 points 3 weeks ago

Massive attack is awesome, such a great experience to see their show. Much better than you would expect from a 35+ year old band.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

But I bet it would been totally cool if they flew an israeli flag.

[–] decolo@piefed.social 27 points 3 weeks ago

When publicly stating alignment with Israel or Palestine, you have to choose if you want to be hated by the government, or the actual people on the street.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Possibly, but unlikely.

Singapore has a lot of very strict laws, and they apply them rigorously. Famously their drug possession laws have a ton of prison time, and often the death penalty for trafficking.

From the article, it is a very narrow but all encompassing law, originally passed in 1949 and the last update in 2021 predates the most recent conflict...

The decision is tied to Singapore’s policies on public speech, which prohibit publicly displaying foreign national emblems without a permit or exemption.

https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/FNECDA1949

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[–] fizzle@quokk.au 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It always amazes me how different people and entities are held to different standards.

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[–] bobbyfiend@retrolemmy.com 25 points 3 weeks ago

Badge of honor

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Thank God, I've been worried about a massive attack coming from Singapore for decades now. I'm so glad their nation decided to support Palestine instead of invading us.

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[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Singapore has always given me the creeps because of the whole conscription thing. This just feels indicative of that underlying rot.

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

They've only had 1 party rule, it's technically a democracy but it's as rigged as it can be without crossing the line into actual rigging.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I visit Singapore quite often and it's dystopian despite all the pretty parks and malls. The thing is it's dystopian but boring so people don't really notice it. The entire "country" is a tax and school haven for Asian billionaires, there's absolutely nothing else there.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Are they still allowed into the Schengen zone? If so, the German government will have some tough questions to answer regarding its Staatsräson obligations.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The German government is apparently blocking EU Sanctions to Israel but that's because it's pretty easy to block things in the EU.

Making the EU actually do things (such as banning this band from entering the Schengen zone) on the other hand is way more difficult since the other ones can block it (which Spain would almost certainly do it on this subject and many others would do simply because they're against blocking people to enter the EU just because one EU nation's government discords with them politically - the bullcrap about criticism of Israel being anti-semitism has very little traction in most of the EU and apparently judging by recent news it has no traction even in the German Justice system).

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh so Singapore is controlled by baby bibi too

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago

I doubt it actually, they're just real serious about their crazy laws and there's a crazy law about no foreign flags.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Every time something like this happens we need a map with a country that changes color

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's ironic as they fail to comdemn truely massive attacks on civilians

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