Neat idea... but I don't think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.
this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2026
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It's a good way of getting the protection removed...
Exactly this.
They'd likely just rubber stamp an exemption and let them do what they want.
If not outright kill the entire Endangered Species Act.
I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it's illegal the center has already been built for 5.
Under the shadow docket, probably.
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RIP to the Endangered Species Act
No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.
But if you really want to overwhelm someone’s property with an unkillable native plant, I’d have to put Virginia creeper forward as a candidate.
Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.
Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!
Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most "invasive" species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn't like.
There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don't get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don't introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don't plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).
Seems like we should add kudzu bugs and giant pandas to North America, and all will be well 😄
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And you think these assholes won't just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they'll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with "oh you!" and that's it
It'll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it'll cost them to just ignore all that
Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they'll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It's also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.
Apparently you missed this in the research I'm sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI's fault. (ooooh, he's defending AI - nope, just criticizing misinformation)
They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly
They’re literally shooting people in the head in the street. If someone chained themselves to a tree to stop construction they’d just saw the person in half. Hasn’t been a single consequence yet
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Still doesn't make him wrong. They will ignore it and receive little to no consequence. I also don't understand the hostility, infact it fits the "erm actually" meme so well I suspect trolling.
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I think the word "relatively" in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.
If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.
The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.
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It'll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it'll cost them to just ignore all that
This is the unfortunate reality
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That would only be a problem if there were still rule of law in the US. If that were the case, they wouldn't be able to run all those gas turbines either.
or shuffle the giant amount of virtually non-existant money between the same 4 companies
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Except it's only native to the central valley in California so if you're anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.
I guess this person just didn't look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn't even native to CA.
Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you'll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.
That said I did just hear they're trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.
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Watch them care, they'll just bulldoze right over these
Lmao they don't even care about humans. You think they'd care about beetles and berries??
Yeah I'm sure the guys on the ground would "accidentally" start the diggers before they were "aware" of the Beatles and berries.
Do this under the current administration and you'll lose the endangered species act
They'll be getting rid of that on general principles. But you might lose it a couple of weeks earlier
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Their next move will probably be scrapping all environmental regulations tho
They already started to for sure.
Surely nothing will go wrong making all the water undrinkable, all the land unfarmable. Hungry and thirsty masses notoriously are easily appeased by sucking on their own sweaty undergarments and chewing on cardboard and plastic found in landfills.
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I'm sure the pedo in charge, that's just ordered the removal of a deep-ocean observation system, is certainly going to baulk at the thought of removing some plants.
Then apartment owners will use this to plant them in areas where people are trying to build affordable housing.
apartment owners
people [...] trying to build affordable housing
Unfortunately, these are often the same people. A developer will usually make a deal with a municipality that requires that x% of new units built must conform to "affordable housing" requirements. That's it. It's kind of a whole scam used so big developers can just develop MORE AND MORE.
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Haha maybe under a normal president, but this one hates regulation and safety. He LOVES money though.
The law means nothing when lobbies of big corps can change it to their like, paying politicans as their spokespersons.
More than likely they do a survey to determine if the beetle is present. There is a whole thing about core and matrix habitat for species at risk, with matrix being less protected.
I knew someone who briefly worked in this field and quit due to the corruption.
One day he does find endangered shit. He tells his boss, "hey you know they have so and so on this land, actually you gotta call this one."
The boss sighs and is like, "let me explain how this works. We can do this and call it out, but next time this guy has a big project, he's not contracting out to us. And the other guys will definitely let it slide. Either way, they're building, and we end up going out of business eventually. You might win this one time, but eventually it won't matter."
I think at the end of the day, he quit and they built over it.
That dude was just corrupt. My wife has to deal stuff this exact stuff and they literally reroute, build in a different area, or have to take extreme precautions like not building at that time of year that will most affect the endangered species.
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Wait the reporting of the endangered species is done by private companies???
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Elderberry is also a wonderful edible medicinal plant. Their berries are delicious and immune boosting
So one's father smelling of elder berries is actually a good thing?
Your father is a drunk and your mother the town hore is the literal translation.
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In case anyone thinks they can grab a berry off the bush, they need to be cooked first
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I had no idea Sambucus was native to America. Elder flower is such a quintessential childhood flavour to me.
Edit: So, growing up, my famliy worked at a elder farm for a few years. The name of elder always stuck in my head; Sambucus nigra.
Per Wikipedia, Sambucus nigra, or black elder, is actually native to Europe.
Sambucus can be found natively in large swathes of the world. It's just that the specific type mentioned in the post is native to North America.
Makes me think of how American blueberries here in Sweden has more or less replaced our native blueberries (bilberry) in stores.
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if today's strategies are anything to go by : nothing is illegal if youre in charge
Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.
Endangered species act being removed in 3 2 1.
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