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Approximately 80% of Iran’s economic activity is driven by the state sector, which includes state-owned and semi-state-owned companies (lemmygrad.ml)
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From https://xcancel.com/i/status/2055329902946123871 (https://x.com/i/status/2055329902946123871)

Approximately 80% of Iran’s economic activity is driven by the state sector, which includes state-owned and semi-state-owned companies (source)

Not that there're many "normies" here, but if one sees that, opposing zionism doesn't mean that Iran would oppose the formation of a jewish state in Europe or the U.S.A.
In fact, since we(sterners) are the ones who feel guilty towards jews after the Shoah(, and the centuries/millenias prior), then it should be from our lands that a territory is given to the jewish people(, a land often taken from amerindians or aboriginal australians). Another possibility would be to give something in exchange of the Holy Lands considered by the vast majority of the Ummah as being of equal/superior value.
Instead of a fair exchange, we'll just take these territories by force, and accuse those resisting of antisemitism, as if we were accusing the indigenous people of the world of being anti-westerners for opposing colonization, or the arabs of christianophobia for opposing the Crusades. They're obviously defending their lands(, and no less than the Holy Lands where the abrahamic religions were born).

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[–] Pierre121000@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

There's something i never said on lemmygrad before, but one has to be fair, if Israel isn't allowed this other western territory(, and doesn't have anything else to offer), and understandably doesn't want to disappear forever, then the responsability lays on the west to make this situation a fair one(, we(sterners) could ask for a division in three of the holy lands by offering two territories, one for jews and one for muslims, solutions exist, it's important to publicly discuss solutions).
Otherwise, right now, it's just the (anti-)''law'' of the strongest, wouldn't we(sterners) benefit from seeking&doing what is the most virtuous[1] in all situations ?

~(and~ ~if~ ~i'm~ ~breaking~ ~a~ ~rule~ ~then~ ~it~ ~was~ ~involuntary,~ ~in~ ~the~ ~v4(1.0)~ ~you'll~ ~be~ ~able~ ~to~ ~send~ ~a~ ~warning~~,~ ~until~ ~then~ ~just~ ~let~ ~me~ ~know~ ~the~ ~rule~ ~i~ ~broke~ ~and~ ~i'll~ ~delete~ ~this~ ~comment)~

[1] : (diversity is compatible with unity, by protecting them from us we'd protect ourselves, and uniformity isn't desirable anyway~,~ ~nor~ ~disunity~.)

[–] CaptainRipcord@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There is absolutely no justification for any state based on supremacism

[–] Pierre121000@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

I think that Israel's colonization&destruction of Palestine is the root cause/problem, and trying to find another solution than Israel's destruction, that's all.

[–] Lenins_Dumbbell@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Wtf is this comment

[–] DefectingToDPRK@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What is virtuous about colonization? Palestinian Jews, Muslims and christians lived together before the Zionist entity and can again under a single state, without Jewish supremacy.

[–] Pierre121000@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

A one-state solution then, i included it and many people are defending that indeed, what remains to be seens is under what conditions, thanks for your answer.
(And as you probably already know, i've never said nor thought that colonization is virtuous)

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Did they really justify colonialism? What in the world ...

[–] ComradeRandy@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Holy shit bro is still speedrunning getting banned

[–] Pierre121000@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

XD, and this time you played no role in it "bro" !
I'm convinced that you never thought i was an ableist, but if i'm wrong then hit me in the DMs so you can explain why i am what i'm not.

And if you don't believe i'm an ableist, then why was it the official reason for my ban, just like they did for zionism, or when they permabanned soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml for ban evasion even if sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml wasn't banned, or right now when they permabanned sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml even if my comment with my lemmy.ml kindly asked for a warning instead, they just couldn'"t care less, and see me as an enemy even if i'm an ally.
I'm supposed to magically know the limits of what i'm allowed to say even if there's no warning, you're not allowed to disagree, nor even to understand.

It's simple, you have 4 options :

  • benefiting both israelis and palestinians
  • only benefiting palestinians
  • only benefiting israelis
  • benefiting none of them
    I argued for the first one. It's factual that the second one isn't the only pro-palestinian option among the available options, since i've not been explained what i did wrong i won't change my mind.
[–] Pierre121000@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The freedom of Lemmy(, and of the Fediverse,) is that anyone is able to create their own instance that operates on their own terms, and moderate it however they please, instead of being squeezed by Reddit(, or, even worse, the state). If i don't like the way one instance conducts itself, i'm free to leave it and find another, or make my own.

That said, i disagree that the mod is always correct, and believe i have a right to answer unjust accusations, the justification of "ban evasion" for my two accounts are so obviously false excuses that i'll stay with the false accusation of zionism. If i'm supposed to understand by myself what i did wrong, then i won't, and i like to learn/grow.
They'd rather see Israel disappear than existing within western territories, and my accounts were sanctioned for thinking that it'd be selfish, because that'd be zionism and that's the end of the discussion. Giving a small portion of the stolen american lands to Israel would undoubtedly be pro-palestinian.
We(sterners) should offer a fair alternative to palestinians instead of condemning them for resisting the ongoing illegal colonization, without us the current situation wouldn't have existed.
My mindset was/is to spend less time complaining about the awful situations around the world, and spend instead more time seeking solutions to them, i think that's what we should all do. That is what i attempted to do here, and intend to continue doing(, until someone proves i'm wrong to do so).

Lemmygrad is not any internet platform(url extrémiste), and let me say that i received 5 downvotes within 10-20mns of posting the two deleted comments below, even though this post was already more than 24h old, isn't that suspicious ? CaptainRicord and DefectingToDPRK made ultra-dishonest accusations, and their accounts hadn't posted shortly after the time i was last banned, 10-16 days ago prior to their comment here, and they waited after my lemmy.ml ban was lifted, 7-11 days afterwards, in order to post again.
Of course it's not a proof of anything, i already know that and am not sure of anything myself, even if i had a hundred more suspicions i could never prove that it was coordinated, my p.o.v. on this situation is that the admins will simply answer to the influx of reports.
And if i'm wrong(, and it's just a coincidence that i received 5 downvotes in 10mns on a post older than 24h), then i just made (another )mistake, it shouldn't be such a huge deal to make mistakes, everyone does, that's why discussing with people disagreeing with you will still be important in a thousand years from now(, if we can hopefully still find people with deep disagreements).

Thanks for these last 3 years though, as well as for being pro-palestinian,( unlike the anti-palestinians zionists, i'll continue to seek a solution pleasing both sides, and) i can only continue to love you even if it's not reciprocal since i consider myself to be on your side 🤷, may we live somewhere free from capitalist exploitation/thieves one day(, which isn't about hating capitalists but resisting an arrangement that harms us).

[–] vyitnoomyr@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean receiving votes like that could probably be read as the mod chat becoming aware of the content of the body text of your post advocating for an ethnostate. Please be advised that Judaism is not an ethnicity.

[–] Pierre121000@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hey, sorry for the delay in my answer, i made a pause on Lemmy(, which will probably last until i finish an( )other app for Lemmy), only saw your comment two days ago before going to sleep, and was busy yesterday. Not that i expect a conversation about my little problems to hold any interest.

Could you tell me how did you find my comment above, i'm interested, and what is this mod chat you're talking about ? If it's the modlog then this thread appeared in it after these downvotes(&reports), and if it's a way of designating some "mod channel" then it's fairly certain that these 5-6 initial downvotes didn't come from mods/admins, so you probably had a good argument in mind instead.

Just like you, CaptainRipcord didn't justify his accusation when he wrote that i'm supporting "states based on supremacism", or DefectingToDPRK when stating that i support "colonization", so please justify where i advocated for "an ethnostate" in "the content of the body text of [my] post". In the meantime, i'll suppose that it's because i wrote "jewish state" instead of "jewish-majority state" or "israeli state", but then what a step to assume that i was arguing for a country giving jews superior rights over non-jews. It's wild that both of my accounts are permabanned and i've yet to recognize myself in any of the accusations received, nor even receive a single proof. Mods and users had their reasons, but the thing with accusing me of what i'm not is that i know for sure you're false and i'm right. When seeking pro-palestinian solutions i even deemed a two-states solution unfair and only kept better options than this one, you answered to a comment that said "Giving a small portion of the stolen american lands to Israel would undoubtedly be pro-palestinian", which was what the censored comment argued for, this is who i know i am, not that distorted picture y'all feel good pretending to misunderstand me as.
(b.t.w., if you ever talked to pro-israelis, as all pro-palestinians should to confront their arguments, then they won't agree that Israel is an ethnostate discriminating against non-jewish israelis, and it's important to understand them, they'd e.g. point out that the 77% of jews in Israel is lower than the percentage of muslims in muslim-majority countries, or talk about an alleged equal treatment in front of the law, etc., yet i've never defended/'talked about' that in the selftext nor on any of my social media accounts i.i.r.c., on the contrary i could cite from memory more than one argument to justify why Israel discriminates between arab and jewish israelis, and if we're including the occupied territories then it manages somehow to be even worse than South Africa apartheid. More importantly, who cares about the ethnostate argument in comparison to the colonization of the palestinian lands, since even if Israel stopped discriminating against non-jewish israelis then palestinians&you&me wouldn't be satisfied, of course.)

You didn't mention it, but i've said in the censored comment that it's understandable why israelis wouldn't want Israel to disappear forever, it feels like your accusation missed the target and that this sentence was the real responsible for the permaban.

If so, i don't agree that it is(/'should be') against Lemmygrad rules, or morality, to state that i can at least understand why israeli jews, as a national/cultural group with a (long )history of persecution, would fear losing political self-determination permanently(, which was the thing i never said on Lemmygrad before), just like it'd be hard for pro-israelis to pretend not understanding the logical palestinian grievances.
Anyone pretending to be unable to understand that would seem dishonest to me(, and even if you/others pretend that you can't understand their concerns, i immediately followed these words with "then the responsability lays on the west to make this situation a fair one", so i clearly wasn't being anti-palestinian).
Similarly, i'd ideally prefer not to be anti-ukrainian, and believe it'd be in their interest to bet on the Russian Federation rather than the European Union, and by supporting pro-russian "separatists"/conservatives/loyalists ukrainians i'm undeniably supporting 'some ukrainians'/'a part of Ukraine' anyway, this could/should be a progressive process but europeans would need to agree that the huge post-1991 gain of their influence zone stops at the u.s.s.r.'s borders(, not that V.Zelensky would have physically survived such decision, i was here as well babbling about impossible things just because they seem like the best option).

It shouldn't be necessary to add, after everything i wrote in my two lemmygrad accounts and in this post's selftext(, as well as censored comment,) that i obviously do not endorse ethnic supremacy, unequal rights, settlements, or palestinian dispossession.
Unlike my little person, we(sterners) are not defending a pro-israeli position that'd also be pro-palestinian(, even a two-states solution is a partial destruction of Palestine, without anything of equal value given in exchange).
Hopefully not, but perhaps that you'd prefer a solution hurting the israeli side rather than one pleasing both, my p.o.v. is that the latter would not only be more moral(revenge≠justice), but also more realistic because we(sterners) have more military power.
I'll be reading your answer with interest then, hoping that you won't warp my meaning/words and that you'll justify your accusations by quoting my words.

Let's make this conversation more fruitful than personal accusations though, i assume that your position is a one-state solution ? It'd then need credible guarantees that jews won't be persecuted once the balance of power changes, including in regard to their cultural rights.
Many people are arguing for a single state and, even if i know it wouldn't be your p.o.v., if it passes tomorrow i'd expect it to be more pro-israelis/anti-palestinians than less, a.f.a.i.k. it's the solution with the most diverse forms and i only included it without any details here(, i proposed the same discussion to DefectingToDPRK, since he seemed to support this). I'm seeking without much success people that would expand on the options presented, because many more exist and i believe we should look for solutions instead of simply complaining.

It's kinda ok to be a weird person since normal is boring and theses need antitheses, but i'm also full of flaws and that's annoying, i'm not doing it on purpose so please help me become better, it's one of the aims of discussion.

Finally, do you know if i'm breaking a lemmygrad rule currently and if we should better talk in private ? Forgive me to keep complaining about my little person but i happen to have difficulties to know in advance if what i write deserves a ban(, otherwise i'd have gladly edited the problematic part if they asked, not that lemmygrad is worse/better than subreddits in this regard).

I haven't answered your last sentence because i didn't understand it, but for the sake of completion

Please be advised that Judaism is not an ethnicity.

Thanks for your advice, not sure if it was intended as a refutal of something i wrote, but i could reply that they're an ethno-religious group, even if i.d.k. where this argument would lead to.
Some ethnicities don't have their own state(, including in countries we support), i don't think you're implying that they're entitled to.
Some group of people asked for their own state despite not being an ethnicity(, e.g. communists), but you're probably not saying either that they shouldn't be authorized to.
So i don't understand ; and i.d.k. if there's anything, natural/genetic or cultural, that can "justify" statehood, although some arguments seem more legitimate than others. My personal belief is that we should have a confederation of communes with their own constitution/laws, so i'm arguing for much much more diversity than now(, but also more unity than now), based on ideologies or ethnicities, as they'll wish, our precious Earth is vast enough for that.