Diogenes would be proud here
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My first thought too.
To anyone unaware, plato defined man as "a featherless biped" so Diogenes brought a plucked chicken
I wonder how Plato would have defined man if he knew kangaroos existed.
featherless tail-less biped? then we could have a story about Diogenes fighting a kangaroo to cut off its tail
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I'm having trouble finding anyone born with intention. Neither biology nor evolution have plans or intentions. We are fundamentally lipid based sacks of water.
They're arguing from a religious perspective that understands God as providing intentionality
Which is a self-defeating argument, because if it were true, then women who don't have eggs are functioning exactly as "intended," and don't fit this definition of "woman"
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I find the phrase “Born with the intention” in itself worthy of head-scratching.
I think its meant sort of as physical intention aka the body doesn't have the ability to "hold eggs" (jfc) yet but will try to develop the capability in the future. A sneaky way to try and include infertile cis women but it still excludes many of them as there are various reasons for infertility. Interestingly the phrasing also excludes all women post menopause but that's to be expected given the amount of representation those usually get (the amount being zero).
Women are born with their eggs, but that’s not true for women who are born without ovaries, which has got to be possible, so this is a dumb definition anyway
You're right, and that whole argument is sidestepping the fact what they really want is a separation between men and women so that they can attempt to force a safe space for women that appeals to their sensibilities of women being born weaker than men with lower bone density and testosterone while not allowing glaring loopholes. Which is how they really view women as an infantile subset of our species that needs protection from a minority of opportunists that would take advantage of them.
Also post-hysterectomy if it includes the ovaries. Sorry bitch, still a woman.
Personally my definition of a woman is anyone subject to misogyny.
I suppose it's wrong, because attacks on transmen are also rooted in misogyny, but that's the misogynists' fault.
For the religious: "Sometimes God puts a soul into a body that doesn't match. The soul is sacred, and until it can be released from the body permanently, we owe it to those souls to recognize and help them. God doesn't make mistakes, it's us He's testing."
Technically, it doesn't even need to include the ovaries if the bigots are defining the womb as the 'holding eggs' bit.
Jesus, we need better mandatory biology classes. (That's aimed at the people defining women as egg holders, not you.)
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Look man I know that my taxonomy doesn't work... but have you considered that it was created with the intent to work?
A woman is one of those things where know you one when you see one. Doesn't have to be any more complex than that.
Like Jiminy Cricket said, "Let your conscience be your guide"
That's what I initially thought, too, but there are people who identify as a woman who 100% look like a man to me. It's rare, but it does happen, and I'm not going to argue with them about it.
If you say you're a woman, then you're a woman, and it shouldn't be any more complex than that.
They said "without excluding" not "without including"
Oh, believe me, they don't want this egg selling man to be called a woman.
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"capability of holding eggs" covers the vast majority of humankind. Hands are useful like that.
Limes, on the other hand...
Why can't I,
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Ah, I can see Diogenes has made an impact on people.
My understanding was that current consensus was that humans with ovaries are born with all of the eggs already created - waiting to be released - and no more are created after that. So you're either born holding eggs or you ain't, and intention and capability don't come into it.
But that still doesn't define "woman" though
It also excludes women with certain kinds of infertility.
The social/political definition of women should just be believe what people say they are because otherwise you're creating a genital/dna inspector.
As for the biological definitions, we should teach more people biology. There are like 6 definitions of species so biology has trouble answering "what is a human"
There are like 6 definitions of species so biology has trouble answering “what is a human”
We don't need biologists to define what a human is, though. We have known since the time of Plato that a human being is a featherless biped with broad flat nails.
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