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The UK's Online Safety Act doesn't just age-gate porn; it blocks material deemed "harmful" to minors. Days after the law went into effect, reports of non-explicit content on social media getting blocked in the region started to crop up. Subreddits from r/IsraelCrimes to r/stopsmoking are now walled in the UK. Video games, Spotify, and dating apps have instituted or will institute age checks.

Given the SCOTUS age verification decision [June '25], Stabile fears that people [in the US] will go "mask off" in the fall and spring, when state legislatures start getting back together. "People are going to attempt to restrict the internet even more aggressively," Stabile said. "I think people are going to work to restrict all sorts of content, particularly LGBTQ content, but also content that is broadly defined as any sort of threat or propaganda to minors." Other experts Mashable spoke to agree with him.

"I'm going to jump to the end step," [Eric Goldman, law professor at the Santa Clara University School of Law] said. "The end step is that most online users are going to be required to age authenticate most of the time they visit websites. That's going to become the norm." In a paper he wrote, Goldman called these statutes "segregate-and-suppress" laws.

The stated reason behind these laws is to "protect children." But as journalist Taylor Lorenz pointed out, in the UK, age verification is already preventing children from accessing vital information, such as about menstruation and sexual assault.

"When we see crackdowns on spaces on the internet, we're essentially stripping away that potential for self-actualization," Goldman said. We've reached the dystopian stage of the internet, he added.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Age verification isn't really age verification: it's identity verification. And once you have given your identity to one or two websites, data brokers will ensure that all your other activity on the internet will eventually be tied to it. Burner devices and anonymous VPNs could help, but only until those become illegal too.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You won’t be able to organize a protest online without the police knowing in advance who is likely to come and finding a pretext to intimidate or pre-arrest them.

That's been true for a while. But it was "The FBI can put a pin in it" true before. And now it feels like "LinkedIn is going to have a second secret file on you" true.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Fun fact:

That was the plan all along.

The guy who founded LinkedIn... Paypal mafia
The guys who invested in Facebook. . PayPal mafia
The guys who founded YouTube.... Paypal mafia
The guy who founded Square .... Paypal mafia
The guy who ran doge and got all your us gov datasets, has literally half of all satellites in orbit sucking up your location and data... Paypal mafia

The guy who decides who attends the bilderberg group, is ceo of the ai that is used by nearly every police force in the USA, and has contracts with military, who funded trump and Vance... Paypal Mafia

These guys have literally created the techno society we are now slaves to.

They are just getting started.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are just getting started.

Idk, man. Seems like they're wrapping up. Not a whole lot left to do when you're this far up on the board.

[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My friend, you have no idea of the hell that awaits... There's always a deeper layer...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure sure sure. Modern American politics is just the Shepherd Tone.

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[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's the most insightful and chilling comment I've read in a while. I especially like the "it's not age verification; it's identity verification" part. (That messaging needs to be more commonplace.) The key(s) for organizing data about individuals online will shift from email addresses only to enough stable identifiers to impersonate someone or maybe even steal their identity. Data leaks and fraud will probably increase dramatically given the value-add of these data.

With the level of quashing dissent these days - eg UK police arresting hundreds of nonviolent people with placards denouncing genocide; military deployments in LA and DC - no wonder certain states/ governments support online identity verification laws.

"No Kings" protests are already a non-story in mainstream news today. Tomorrow, they can be prevented from happening in the first place! /s c/aboringdystopia

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

And one key thing. Fascists and fascist collaborators will claim, "everything you do online and already tracked to your real identity." But the truth is, if that were already the case, then there wouldn't be a push for these identity verification laws.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And they dont even have any valid excuses, because its totally possible to implement anonymous age verification that cannot be fooled. These systems already exists and work perfectly, but it was never the plan to do it this way. It was always intended as a political tool of censorship.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What systems are you referring to?

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The EUs eID system. https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/european-digital-identity_en

Depending on the use case, varying amounts of information can be transferred like only age or nationality or everything.

Ive used it for signing EU petitions but also local bureucratic things like residency stuff.

The eID system is kind of overkill if all that matters is age verification. You could build a suuper lightweight system just for that which would make checking the source code much easier.

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

18+ to shop at Walmart. I don't want my children exposed to harmful things like books, my boys shouldn't be exposed to cleaning supplies or see women's garments and my girls shouldn't have to see that other girls are allowed to pick out their outfits or do manly things like play sports.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In the UK some supermarkets charge extra for children to buy products. You need to register an account for them to harvest even more data and if you don't then some products can cost a lot more. Children can't register as they can't collect that kind of data on children.

I shop at Aldi instead because they don't do this shit

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[–] sleepundertheleaves@infosec.pub 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Age verification isn't really age verification: it's identity verification.

I agree. And I think this is the most important reason why big tech companies are either supporting, or not commenting on, age verification laws. Being able to reliably link all a user's online activity to their real identity is a big data wet dream.

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[–] figjam@midwest.social 0 points 10 months ago

Time to start making zines and locally organizing i guess

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nuclear weapons are harmful to children.

Global warming is harmful to children.

Microplastics and forever chemicals are harmful to children.

But, no, let’s just block the porn.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The felon sitting in the Oval Office is harmful to children.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

*The pedophile king whose name has been confirmed to be in the Epstein files

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I'm ready for the internet to end. This experiment has shown it is extremely harmful to society. Fucking end it already.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You’re free to leave anytime. You could live a simple life out in the boonies working on a small farm and 99% of internet shit would go away.

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago

Me leaving wouldnt solve the problem of the brain rot it causes 90% of people.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The internet isn't the problem. Corporations mining it for money is.

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago

No... I really do think the internet is the problem. People aren't meant to know 1000s of people all at once. We evolved our social abilities in tribes with maybe a couple hundred individuals. The sheer number of people who are all effectively anonymous who are constantly trying to one up each other and troll people is too much for anyone to bear. And that's before we get into the innumerable echo chambers of whatever flavor you want that allow people to reinforce their nutjob beliefs in a way that wouldve been shut-the-fuck-down if brought up in a smaller group.

And that's not even getting into the fact that Amazon is utterly destroying every retailer on the planet which has had cascading effects that are too broad and disastrous to bring up in a brief "the internet sucks" conversation.

No. The internet is the problem. It should be reserved for sharing academic papers like back in the darpa days.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago

The stated reason behind these laws is to "protect children."

https://imgur.com/QqabC7T

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

We need to purge our society of these genital obsessed religious extremists

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[–] vane@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Bad news for HTTP are good news for P2P.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ehh maybe. Next they'll charge the ISP's with logging what we do and blocking unidentifiable traffic.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I think ISP are already logging what we do. ( at least in EU )

ISPs may engage in monitoring and filtering of communications data to fight viruses and overall ensure the security of the network

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex%3A52012XX0208%2801%29

and all of the monitoring of course have

this does not apply when the purpose is based on security considerations

so given that there is war next door you can assume you're being monitored 24/7

also this

Article 6( c ) of the Data Protection Directive lays down the proportionality principle (34), which applies to ISPs, as they are data controllers in the meaning of this Directive, when they engage in monitoring and filtering.

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 0 points 10 months ago

Among many other examples such as IPRED. In a weird way, I'm glad that such an awful directive blatantly states its purpose, instead of all the other "think about the children/terrorists/whatnot"...

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"I’m fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there’d only be one website left, and it’d be called Bring back the porn!"

- Dr. Ulysses Cox

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

TOR and i2p and VPNs? Are we skating towards a 100% encrypted internet?

[–] Postimo@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That would be rad, but isn't TOR glacial? And VPNs are sketch if you're not paying for them. What is i2p like, and does it have access to the open web or is it more a siloed space?

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 0 points 10 months ago

I spent about a month looking for something worthwhile on TOR. The only thing I remember is Dread (kind of a reddit clone, but worse). Everything else was easier to access on the normal internet. Yes, it was really slow. And for obvious reasons all JavaScript is blocked.

I never got i2p to work. I think. It said everything was okay, but I couldn't connect to anything.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

A mostly text site like lemmy could work at glacial speeds.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Remember, according to the UK government you're legally able to have sex, give birth, choose your future, and (soon?) vote at 16. Heaven forfend if you see a pair of titties though, you're not mature enough for that...

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[–] burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 0 points 10 months ago

Please don’t make me selfhost whisparr lol, I’m fucked in the head but not THAT fucked

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 0 points 10 months ago

Dicks are going to destroy the internet, regardless of pr0n.

[–] HiddenPotential@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Porn makes people into dumb animals same with alcohol just saying and also it creates unhealthy standards and leads to sexual immorality it's not even real sex

[–] Waffle@infosec.pub 0 points 10 months ago

Just because people can overindugle doesn't mean I want the government having direct visibility into my interests online.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Porn is the scapegoat for surveillance

Much more harm comes from social media but it’s harder to use that to justify power grabs

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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The very instant a website wants me to verify my age by providing PII, I’ll just blacklist that website from my network. There isn’t a single website that I can’t go without.

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