Not surprised he is stepping down. A very tough night.
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On Jan 1st, the 3 major canada-wide parties were:
- Liberal, headed by Justin Trudeau out of Papineau
- Conservative headed by Pierre Poilievre out of Carleton
- NDP headed by Jagmeet Singh out of Burnaby South
On May 1st the 3 major parties will be:
- Liberal, headed by Mark Carney out of Nepean
- Conservative headed by Pierre Poilievre(?) out of ?
- NDP headed by ? out of ?
Pierre Poilievre likely to stay as party leader since he's very popular with the base. Unless someone like Doug Ford decides to fight him for the position.
Pierre is very not popular - when Trudeau quit he had a higher approval rating than Pierre. People this time were voting for the party, not for Pierre.
He's not popular overall, but he's very popular with the conversative base.
The election results (and polling on leader specifically) do not back that claim up.
I'm talking about apples you are talking about oranges. Look at polling for conversative support for Pierre Poilievre or party leader elections where he got 68.15%.
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NDP aren't even a major party anymore with 7 seats, sadly
They're not an "official party", but they still got 6% of the vote. But, because of FPTP they only got 2% of the seats. Bloc Quebecois got 6.4% of the vote and 6.7% of the seats. There are still a lot of people out there who would want to vote NDP, but who voted Liberal to achieve "anybody but Conservative". The plan worked, but I think they'd like some electoral reform.
I completely agree to be clear.
But "major party" means something in election parlance, and unfortunately because of all the required strategic voting, it means NDP won't be at the next debate.
all the required strategic voting,
Much of BC was lost through three-way ties that the blues won by a nose. It seems that, for some ridings, strategy wasn't strong enough.
If two Oranges 'cross' to Red to give Mark a mandate, can they 'cross' back before the next election?
Yeah I hope the fact that both the NDP and the LPC got screwed in BC on so many ridings causes their hopeful coalition government to actually implement voting reform this time.
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Liberal, Conservative, Bloc, other.
That's why I carefully worded it "canada-wide parties". If it were just big parties by vote, you'd definitely be right. In fact, Bloc is the only big party that came through the last few months with their leader intact.
Liberal, Conservative, Bloc, other.
Canada, Separatist, Separatist, Canada?
Finally.
I feel sad for the guy because he really did care and worked hard. He was a good dude.
He had his time and he did delivered some good things, but it's defintely time for new ideas and more charismatic leaders. He was the most unpopular leader in this election cycle.
Jagmeet was plenty charismatic; and earnest, too. But while I worried about his focus, really he bounced off a glass ceiling; and then found slagging an ally in campaign ads was detrimental to both. (and let's talk about how uncharacteristic THAT was)
But he presented well as someone with decent motivations, and his causes were generally on the side of regular Canadians, as you'd expect from the oranges. He had his best party and just misstepped while puppet-mastering Justin.
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Yeah but he destroyed the NDP party
How so?
You saw election results
That doesn't explain your opinion at all.
It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status
Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP.
As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party.
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While I agree that change is necessary, I feel like NDP as a whole needs to change strategy. It's like every single promise they make is about throwing shade on another party, or saying they will fix something liberals did, but rarely any actual constructive or original ideas. They need to come up with their own identity instead of basing it on the opposite of another.
rarely any actual constructive or original ideas
My mom's getting some dental work, thanks to his original idea.
They need to come up with their own identity
They HAVE an identity: small-biz heroes, middle-class champions, lift-all-boats tide. This has been their identity for decades.
instead of basing it on the opposite of another.
You confusing the orange with the blue?
I mostly agree with agenda of the NDP and also with Singh but I also noticed that he started bashing the liberals more than usual in the last couple of month. I live in Manitoba and hear often official ads from the Conservative party in radio about things they blame on Trudeau. In my opinion this needs to stop, this is not professional.
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first past the post will kill you as easily as it killed Estats Unis
Estats Unis
Γtats-Unis, my dude.
i think they wrote it in catalan, not french
was the point made?
yes, sorry for deviating
i agree wholeheartedly, fptp is a relic that should be disposed of, but we shouldn't forget that trump won the popular vote the second time (it's crazy we even have to distinguish between a popular vote and the actual results), so switching to a fully proportional system is just one step of many to take, i feel
with less than 31 per cent of the vote...keep your targets aligned....
this is what you argue about?
Thanks for finally doing the right thing, Jagmeet! It only took your complete and utter defeat and losing official party status... but I guess it's better late than never. (Please elect a socialist leader now.)
I loved him, but he tossed Jessica Wetz under the bus and the next day, he was posting thirst traps on TikTok.
I got to be honest. The NDP are like some anime hero in this election sacrificing it all so the main protagonist can beat the villian
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While I was not a huge fan of Jagmeet, I don't think he was a bad leader. The Federal NDP had a tough go at this election as I am sure many people who would traditionally vote NDP voted to keep conservatives out of power and marked the Red Box. I certainly did.
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