Fuck AI

The most disappointing aspect of using AI on linux, to me, is that it sort of implies linux is now more comfortable with the "move fast and break things" -mindset, now caring more about "efficiency" and "speed" rather than integrity and quality.

Its really sad, Linus used to be a champion of open source and now hes doing his best to ruin it.

Linus is a traitor to Open Source community. Using and promoting a tool created by stealing the works of thousands of developers, artists etc. He might be a good programmer but he is a fucking douchebag.

Torvalds’s first publicly released chatbot code was in January this year, when he vibe-coded a project in Python because he didn’t know enough Python. The programming language kids learn in high school. The guy who runs the kernel couldn’t get his head around Python.

I'm pissed at the AI companies for all kinds of things like hiking computer parts prices and the impending destruction of the economy when the ~~lies~~ hype dies. But this is a weak ass argument.

The guy who created the Linux kernel and git can absolutely get his head around Python. He's just allocating his time and energy toward kernel development rather than learning Python and rightly so. Besides, maybe he just hates the language. I know I do, but I started with Perl, so that shaped the way I like to work.

I have lost my faith in Torvalds when he wrote this:

This is NOT some kind of “social warrior” project, never has been, and never will be.

Taking bets now, how long until we get a Torvalds rant about too many brown people in the kernel developer community?

Thank you, @destructdisc@lemmy.world ! ^^

I read it yesterday, but did't publish here considering someone else did already. Yet, apparently... you just did!

This is all... such a... dear... sorrow... no words may express it...

I've been in Linux for around 20 years now...
And this is freaking f... awful to see...

The thing is that these projects, as Linux, Aircrack, cryptography, exploits I've been into for many years... created by actual developers who learned, who managed... who achieved... had been inspiring me to also learn, to discover, to achieve...

Now? It starts to mean nothing.
Now, there's someone lazy who "achieved" something being lucky enough for their stupid prompt for a model to generate a desired output.

It's worth nothing. It's worthless.

The fact that once hackers/effortful/artists/people, now don't learn, don't discover, don't communicate, don't share, don't publish, don't think for fudge sake... with their head/mind on their shoulders atrophying... don't achieve, don't deserve their name mentioned since they didn't write it but their/vendor's models did...

This AI infestation? This ruins all of it, it overwrites the Git/human history with actual ingenious people leaving behind...
Devaluing everything...

Such a sorrowful time to live... and see/feel of this... with so many indifferent and careless people... who just need a result without any understanding and realization how it actually works or was derived...

I cannot still wrap that around my mind properly...
I try to think less about the history being obliterated, people getting forgotten, ingenious ideas devalued...

Also note that the python visualizer tool has been basically written by vibe-coding. I know more about analog filters -- and that's not saying much...

Source: https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise

Yet, there's also "copyright":
- https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise/blob/main/LICENSE

How is that a copyright if this project was created by a machine/algorithm, not him?
How is that inhuman output worth a copyright that is supposed to be for humans only?

Just to clarify, I appreciate Linux and the Community for the ineffably magnificent history... the operating system, the freaking marvelous effort and love within all it... I've been literally living in Linux for decades or so, I adore working with Linux... being a developer in security and finance systems...

It's just... it's just... so much gets devalued and ruined... and faster, faster, faster!
Where the heck are we all so hurry at? Hello?! Anyone?!

You don't even get time to live this life already, and now with the history getting rewritten on our eyes, code written with no names on it, music slopped, "slop-articles" published, "artworks" set in video-games... everything with no soul no effort in it, nameless...

In the end, we do we. I've been making my life with the beliefs in the precious value of achievements of human lives, be it code, algorithm, music, artwork, art, human experience...

Creating exploits, findings holes, adjusting security, break unbreakable etc. these are all achievements and you live with them.
You then could remember, after 10 years or more, that You achieved it. It would give you strength to continue living, a purpose.

It's been giving me the purpose to continue living, too...

There are still Developers and Communities who still apply warmth to my heart... the Hope...

- NetBSD may have found a new role: The AI-free FOSS OS

Code generated by a large language model or similar technology, such as GitHub/Microsoft's Copilot, OpenAI's ChatGPT, or Facebook/Meta's Code Llama, is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.

Source: https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

Artists as the following video author though still give warmth to the heart... the dear hope... which is heartfelt, dear Soulfelt appreciated...

- https://youtu.be/xXmYX88s_7w (The Suno Reddit Page is Just Sad...)

Thank you... very much... dear Developers, Artists, People... who still believe in the history, purpose, attitude, humane Art, the love...
Please do stay safe... and I wish you success, stability, and peace...

We inherit the earth, we inherit the war.
~ Inherit the Earth - Silent Planet

It's kind of incredible to me that the dude that started this project would be so quick to allow it to become slopped.

I'm forced to use LLMs at work myself, but even I have projects that I'm unwilling to let them touch, and I'm talking about a personal text editor for fuck's sake, not something I've spent my whole life building and attached my name to.

So many people have become shameless garbage.

Linux maintainers stand on this is basically : our ai generate slop is good but yours is questionable

At what point should we start considering that the kernel maintainers and developers don't even understand what they are adding to the project ??

What I see in ai projects these days is huge commit size changes many files at once, where the people behind those commit don't have a single clue what is being added or changed.

Sad but predictable unfortunately, Linus should have left his role as head maintainer a long time ago, there are plenty of talented and experienced maintainers that could have taken up the torch, and the Linux foundation could have made sure it was ran democratically.

Linuses obsessive control over the kernel has been worrying for about a decade at this point.

Hopefully someone takes his advice as does a fork, just have to figure out what to call it.

„The guy who runs the kernel couldn’t get his head around Python.“ What is that supposed to mean? Do they want to make the point, that Linus Torvalds is too stupid to learn python and therefore uses AI to do it? Because independent of one might think about the use of AI in the kernel, I don’t think that this is the case…

I think there are way better arguments against the use of AI in the kernel than personal attacks against Thorvalds.

Only TempleOS is safe now

No one should be surprised.

Man's got a massive ego problem, and has done for years. Of course he'd think his AI code is good.

I'll take a neutral source to read this, because the headline suggests this article is at the very least over hyping and at worst plain lying

I'll start with fuck AI, but it does feel like most of the people commenting here only know about coding and AI from stories around a campfire.

A good developer will consider the tools and choose the ones that are beneficial. It's crazy that people think somebody like Linus will suddenly be useless because of AI.

Coming in here and seeing all the bans...

I know there are two sides to every story. So one shouldn't just judge from the number of bans, comments upvote ratio, and definitely not by also reading the modlog reasoning...

Bummer. I was hoping this was a case where someone created their own open-source model, trained on their own work and not Internet scraping or destroying books or whatever, and did the thing on their own local infrastructure. There's nothing unethical about that.

Seems pretty clear from his statements that he's just slop 'coding' with frontier models.

Apparently we can all look forward to things that always worked to suddenly be buggy as hell, just as it is now with Windows.

Well... Guess we're all fucked now.

ITT: Hyperbole

had all this happened 2 years ago i don’t think i would’ve bothered switching away from windows tbh

i wonder how many people now are thinking the same thing…

Maybe I’ll give BSD another go

This article seems biased given how emotional it is. It could be entirely factually correct yet still misrepresent the situation. For example, there's no mention of the patch criteria or review procedure, which is such an important part of fairly covering this topic that omitting it is actively malicious.

I'll be waiting for fair coverage of the situation from a reputable news source, not a website whose sole purpose is to make AI and its users look bad.