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[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 week ago

Take off, eh!

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And make their own distro. No need to build something from scratch! For fucks sake!

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why make their own distro? Just use fucking Ubuntu or Red Hat or Suse. You don't need HeyDereHiDereHoDereOS.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

But then how else will they be able pay Accenture $10 million to vibe code something that's a piece of shit that doesn't work?

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Which is exactly what they would do if they were to switch. Starting from scratch would be incredibly stupid, and there's no reasonable way to secure a brand new system when we simply don't employ enough programmers of that kind at the govt level.

[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Author of the article missed the Netherlands going to NixOS by a week.

And Canada already has a homegrown operating system that's just waiting for someone to read the handbook thoroughly, read the manual, install it themselves, and see what's up. Canada has already played host to a free operating system with OpenBSD thanks to crypto being a munition back in the 90s and there's no reason to not look at both Nix and OpenBSD if they're going to head down that road.

I'll go ahead and write the international treaty:

Canada and the Netherlands agree to go halfsies on a trusted NixOS and OpenBSD repo.
[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wasn't Arch made by a Canadian?

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah, Judd Vinet. He's no longer involved with the project, though.

[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes. I wasn't trying to exclude any projects, but I wanted to point out that another nation-state is looking to do the same project and for the same reasons (Netherlands with NixOS), and that there's already an even older project (OpenBSD) that already meets some of the same goals Canada would be trying to achieve.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The author does discuss that actually

Here is the study it is referring to, which the author put out last week ~~(although I don't have the full text right now)~~: https://www.emerald.com/dprg/article-abstract/doi/10.1108/DPRG-06-2026-0347/1400436/Open-source-digital-sovereignty-the-case-for-a?redirectedFrom=fulltext

EDIT: Full paper here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=7585538

Design/methodology/approach

This paper develops a comparative policy analysis of six state-sponsored Linux distributions (China, Russia, India, France, Germany and South Korea) using a dual total cost of ownership (TCO) + strategic autonomy analytical framework, benchmarked against Canada’s procurement landscape, laws and trade obligations.

Originality/value

This paper proposes a Canadian Free and Open Systems Foundation (Crown not-for-profit modeled on Germany’s Zentrum für Digitale Souveränität) alongside a three-phase implementation roadmap and five institutionally targeted policy recommendations. The proposal offers a generalizable middle-power template for reconciling digital sovereignty with open multilateralism, applicable to Australia, Japan, South Korea and Nordic states facing parallel dependencies.

So while the author mentions Debian, that is just an example. The actual recommendation is setting up a foundation to make those decisions after confirming it will meet the requirements + working with other countries on this

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or, wait, use another already existing one?!!

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Or, wait, use another already existing one?!!

Which is exactly what an increasing number of EU countries are doing.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The article is suggesting to make a debian-based distro

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

Our lord and saviour Linux 😌🙂‍↕️☺️

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Linux is right there, no need to reinvent the wheel.

Libre Office to replace most of Microsoft 365 suite.

Pick a distro and help develop it to make it more robust.

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We could save even more by crowdsourcing much of it with partners around the world with the same goals.

When Microsoft said they would operate in our country, but not obey our laws, it was the begining of the end.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Yes and nobody seems to acknowledge that. They think data sovereignty is all that matters. But Microsoft has stated no they have to listen to the US no matter what any other countrys laws say. I thought countries would have been more upset about that but nope.

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] x00z@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

with the Maple Desktop Environment.

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[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

One more way to say fuck the US by not using Microsoft

[–] BaraCoded@literature.cafe 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ethereal whisper in the wind : "Liiiinuuuux..."

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

On top of OpenBSD, I really don’t see why Canada needs a Windows replacement when open source replacements already exist? And we can already run NextCloud-AIO with EuroOffice on top.

The only things missing are AI and surveillance— and there’s a perfectly functional open source agentic tool that can run open models. And nobody really wants the surveillance.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Again what I've been saying for years, just use Linux, people.

But nooooo, Canadian healthcare prefers tonstore their patient data in the USA on servers of Microsoft, even though MS already testified that the US government can access that data whenever they want, so yay!

Why self host everything and be responsible if you can simply pay a dictatorship?

[–] five_bucks@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’ll probably take shit for my comment, so preface: I use FOSS and self-host a lot of stuff at home, my Elbows are Up, and Fuck M$. Now then…

Yeah, the federal government could give up MS licenses for the public service and switch to OpenBSD or Linux and use LibreOffice. Excellent! Big savings.

Now then, how about all the ancient databases and applications used by the CRA and regulatory agencies. Will they keep working or will they need attention? Downtime is not an option.

Then there’s weird things like lab equipment and remote devices that provide earth sensing data for weather forecasts and probably tsunami warning for all I know.

Every one of those things needs, at least, thorough consideration and many will need specific attention from developers who are familiar with some pretty old tech. The public service does not have that capacity on hand. Contracting (expensive) private sector companies is a given.

I haven’t even mentioned the requirements for handling protected data or liability. Who does the government sue for damages if there’s an unpatched exploit in OpenBSD?

Anyway, all the above can be addressed. Nothing’s impossible. But the estimated cost-savings are not realistic. Like, at all.

You may now tear me to shreds.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're not wrong exactly, but I think you're perhaps assuming an unnecessarily absolutist approach. If there are legacy systems that need windows, keep windows for those legacy systems. What you're describing are exceptions, not the norm. The vast, vast majority of public service computers could just as easily be running Linux.

As for who the Federal government sues, that's why you go with an enterprise release like Red Had or Ubuntu. You find a company that you're happy to work with, you pay them maybe 25% of what you're paying MS right now, and in return you get a full support plan with clearly defined SLAs.

This isn't so much "Nothing's impossible" as it is "It's really not that hard." These are solved problems. Plenty of governments have already switched over to open source.

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[–] kablez@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I said this exact thing to multiple Australian universities and government heads.

Not only would it save money, it would develop local industry and expertise.

No reply of course. No one's interested if it doesn't help make them rich!

[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

also our own pickup trucks and suvs

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Even better, our own small fuel efficient cars. Most people don't need a massive gas guzzler.

[–] viJilance@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why do people keep buying them then? The advertising works to make them 'think' they need it

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[–] story@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

openbsd is Canadian, give theo 5 million dollars

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

ABOOT would be a fun name for a Linux distro

[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes but also what is important is establishing meaningful, stringent, enforceable, independent security auditing of the tools that Canada chooses to use, they must be open in this sense if not fully open source. There is the obvious but quite unfortunately likely possibility Canada could throw out Microslop only to recreate the worst parts of it domestically. Canada must keep their eyes on two balls in this sense, getting rid of Microslop AND doing better at the entire framing of how these tools are built and maintained otherwise all the effort to get rid of Microslop will become a slap in the face when you end up in almost the same place... which none of this is meant to bash Canada at all, this is just how these things tend to want to go given the forces at work....

[–] bajabound@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Time for someone to pick up TempleOS or maybe Plan 9.

[–] gastroglizzy@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

TempleOS lacks printer, USB, and network support. It's entirely self-contained and thus, not very practical as a typical computing OS. Even Terry ran Ubuntu on his daily.

[–] bajabound@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's also a joke. I would say most people haven't heard of either.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

This is good news that more countries are starting to think of tech independence. It was bound to evolve that way over time but the questionable tech bros crowd caused it to happen way more quickly because, just like the railroad barons of the past, they'll lie, cheat, steal and threaten for more money and power and people eventually get tired of being under someone's thumb (holy shit I just had spellcheck tell me that thumb has a "b". I, and probably many others, did not know that).

[–] Trex202@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] normanwall@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Missed opportunity for CanaDOS

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[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 5 points 1 week ago

I'm really glad that a lot of countries are starting to do this 🥰

I have absolutely zero faith the government could create a whole secure operating system with the apps it would need.

Just use Linux ffs

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