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Looks like the next guys problem.
Hey!
Is that how drillbits are born?
*shorn
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Use better screws, don't screw around.
Quit screwing around! You all screw around too much!
better screws are torx
Material matters, if you use poorly made screws that's when the head gets blunted.
Philips screws are intentionally made to strip though. Even the best material can't fully offset bad design.
Philips heads are designed to intentionally cam over and limit torque, if you’re using the correct screwdriver that is quite a lot of torque. They certainly have a usecase, but that isn’t anywhere near me. I only use torx.
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Torx often ends up being the worst of both worlds imo. It grabs too hard and you can easily overdrive it and strip the hole in some material. And you can also still easily strip the head if you don't get the bit seated all the way. I think the Robertson combo head is the best all around, since you have a Robertson bit for high torque applications and a Phillips bit for low torque and slightly off axis work. And then the "ecx" bit for "I'm going to friction weld this terminal screw shut" applications.
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Have you been to a lot of hardware stores with different grades of every of the 257 different types and sizes and thicknesses they carry?
Years ago when working in a boat shop at a “yachting center” aka “dudes with 20’ sailboats they’ve spent more effort repairing than their marriage” and I had a full wall of hardware.
An old school wooden hardware shelf.
My favorite thing ever in my whole life was being Willy wonka with fasteners and my rolly ladder
I'll get the torx universal wood and stone ones, thanks.
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Robertson is the supreme screw!
Also plastic clips on laptops, monitors or any small electronic, pretty much every time I open up something with those clips one of them just snaps apart.
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Because Philips screws were supposed to cam out, to stop overtightening on airplanes.
Maybe we shouldn't use Philips screws for non-aviation purposes.
I've read this was the justification after the fact.
The only reason they’re so common is because of Henry Ford. Ford wanted Robertson screws, but Ford also wanted to make his own screws in-house. Robertson wouldn’t license them, Philips would, the rest is history. Robertson screws are much more common than Philips up in Canada (where they’re from).
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Right but for aircraft we've got torque wrenches which can stop overtightening much more accurately.
The problem with using phillips is selecting the correct size. If you have the correct size its much harder strip the threads.
Came here to say this. The correct size and depth bit on a Phillips is a thing of beauty and grace. If you get it the slightest bit wrong (pun yes) God help you and your offspring to 7 generations.
Especially when a similar size will feel like it fits pretty well, until it cams out at much less torque than it should.
I've picked up a set of anti-slip bits, they are pretty much ribbed so they bite into the screws just enough to cam out a lot less often. Works better than I hoped for maybe $7 for 5 bits in different lengths.
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Torx is great until you can’t really see the bolt in question and think you have the right bit but actually it’s slightly small and rounds off the bolt entirely.
It is a good idea in general though.
As someone who has spent far more time than I want to think about removing screws and bolts that other people fucked, Robertson is the second most popular fastener to get brought to me with Torx in hot pursuit.
Philips head screws that are messed up come in two types. Soft cheese metal versions and the insidious Japanese style that are just ever sooo slightly different and require their own special driver. And most of you can't tell the difference or even care.
Plus, Y'all buy cheap ass "turn screws" as the British used to call them. When you buy dollar store quality tools you deserve what you get and I don't feel sorry for you.
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Everyone in here hating on philips head screws when old slot head screws are the true enemy.
There's like 3 use cases for slot heads, and there they're worth their weight in gold. Everywhere else however? Fuck 'em.
Slot heads never wear out.
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Phillips head are the Mercator Projection of screws. Great for their specific purpose that shockingly few people seem to know and bottom tier otherwise, yet widely used anyway.
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Robertson (square) is the best.
Americans just don't know how to screw.
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Then there's the Japanese Industry Standard (JIS) Philips, which is different from everything else. Without a JIS driver/bits, the head will strip.
I'm all for Torx and External (Inverted) Torx screws.
At least you didn't leave the toolkit in the rain and almost burn the house down by leaving the soldering iron plugged in for a week.
Yes, I'm still alive.
And yes, I used a Phillips screwdriver in JIS and vice versa multiple times.
And yes, I used a Phillips screwdriver in JIS and vice versa multiple times.
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Finally! Somebody who's not a simp for Robertson.
Why?
Robertson is clearly superior. You're not going to strip that, and it holds onto the screw better.
Yeah. Robertson plus an impact drill is some of the most fun screwing around one can do that doesn’t involve OP’s mom.
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Robertson is great though
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