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Feels very redditty, which is why I'm asking...

Also, what are total buffer size (what does it affect) and session waste (what does it affect)? qbittorrent-nox on Linux.

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[–] black0ut@pawb.social 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's a bit redditty, and a bit spammy, but I think it's healthy every once in a while. It may encourage seeders to get bigger numbers in a sort of healthy competition, which also benefits the swarm. Someone could do an annual stat sharing post or something, to keep the tradition going but also contained for those who don't like it.

Anyways, here are my stats:

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 days ago

That's a really healthy take on the matter! Nice! Yeah, the point is more mutual encouragement, exchanging of tips and tricks, rather than competition. In this economy, people shouldn't have to feel down because of hardware limitations.

Thanks for sharing! I promise, I won't ask again for a year. 🤣

[–] girlnamedzero@piefed.zeromedia.vip 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Idk about the buffer size, but the waste is basically when a part of the file you’re downloading gets lost/corrupted so you have to download it twice

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 10 points 5 days ago

It can also waste some data when a peer disconnects in the middle of sending a block, causing your client to request the block again from zero. The part of the block that was previously received becomes wasted data.

Additionally, near the end of the download, if a peer is transferring a block really slowly, your client might request it again to a faster peer, causing a bit of waste too.

[–] bier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

How do y'all download tens of terabytes damn, what kind of 4k are you downloading, and for how many years, holy shit

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The download isn't just payload download, it includes the overhead. Even if you only upload, a bit of overhead is always counting towards your download. In practice, this means that the maximum possible ratio you can have is around 32 (meaning, for 32 units uploaded, there's 1 unit of overhead downloaded). With huge upload sizes, that overhead starts to become relevant.

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This was new to me. Is there more overhead in these torrenting packets than, say, "normal" TCP/UDP traffic? Or do we just not count up/down ratios on normal traffic and we actually do have the same overhead there? I suppose with overhead, we are referring to all the data that is not the actual data portion of the packets, such as the IP/TCP headers?

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 6 points 5 days ago

I'm not actually an expert on the matter, and there is probably someone who knows more.

There are 2 protocols that qbittorrent uses for data sharing. The oldest one is basic TCP, with the same overhead. The "newer" (it's already quite old, too) protocol is µTP. It was specifically designed for p2p purposes, specifically torrents. µTP is, among other things, designed to coexist with other traffic without slowing it down. For this purpose, its packet size is variable. On very small packets, the overhead is big, while on larger packets it's small. I don't know how different the average overhead is between the 2 protocols, since those variable packets were designed for shared ADSL. Modern broadband probably allows µTP to use bigger packets most of the time.

From what I can gather, encryption also adds overhead to the traffic.

This is, however, not the main source of overhead (I don't even know if that overhead is really counted, I'd have to look more into it). The main source of overhead is actually control traffic (and that's the reason why you get download even when only uploading). Peers constantly communicate with each other to form the swarm, and they need to request blocks and announce which blocks they have. As far as I understand, this is the main source of the overhead, and it's independent from the protocol. Your client will announce to other peers what pieces it has, and its capabilities.

I also don't know if tracker traffic is included in the count. Your client sends a status to trackers every n minutes, which are specified by the tracker. Those are called announces. Most trackers have announce times between 30 minutes and 1h. If you have 500 torrents, with an average of 5 trackers per torrent and an average announce time of 45 minutes, you're sending ~3.3k announces per hour. They don't take much, but they add up.

DHT and PeX traffic could also be counted, but as with trackers, I don't know if it is.

If you start trying to get higher and higher ratios, you'll notice there's an asymptotic curve the higher you go. It really seems impossible to get to 30. I once had a client lose its historical up/down data, and without any download, it stopped at a ratio of around 32. This may be the ratio between upload + upload overhead / download overhead (from the PoV of your client).

Now, while I don't have any proof and I don't know how qbittorrent counts overhead, I suspect all those overheads are counted at the same time. So you're basically stacking them. This is because of the traffic limiter. If you really want to limit traffic to 100mbps, ideally, you'd count every overhead. If you don't, you could end up with both an unpredictable amount of traffic, and a higher amount of it than 100mbps. If they already implemented a counter that considers all overhead (basically just counting raw packet data), it would make sense that they used it for the global traffic counter.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Have the popular stuff and you will be sharing.
Have a look at the size of each entry and multiply by the ratio:

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do not even TELL ME that's The Adventures of Maya the Bee 😍😍😍

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

Yep. Fully dubbed in german and in very decent quality :)

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[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

How: lots of storage, good networking infrastructure, patience
What: anything that was originally recorded on and not just upscaled to 4K
Time: my current repertoire of 127 torrents I built in five-six years

[–] HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm by no means a super user, I mostly download movies that are 1-5gb in size. Been on the same tracker since 2015 and I got 1.35TB downloaded.

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is a really good example of how ratios are nothing but relative. It's literally in the word itself! 😁 So, there are surely people that have much lower ratios than me for the sole reason that they have downloaded MUCH more and simply not yet seeded for the same amount of time. 😊

[–] HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

My ratio went from 1.9 to 1.15 in a week, because I set up a Jellyfin server for my dad to use :D Had to download a bunch of stuff he would want to watch.

Totally worth it though, now he doesnt have to watch the Mentalist for the 7th time because for some stupid reason, some stupid TV station executive decided that is the only TV series people want to see. Like seriously, I have never watched that show on my own, but every time I visit my parents, its on the telly. I've seen it enough to know there is a Red John (what a stupid name for a villain) who killed the main guys family, the main characters got married (?) but then broke up because apparently it might jeopardize their important po-lice work. It may be a good show, but that stupid telly executive has ruined for me. I love pirating, makes me (and my dad) free of this stupid bullshit.

Mini rant over.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

i set up ersatz tv and even made a channel called "for the parents" too so they'll have something live to watch too :)

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[–] leanleft@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

also should appreciate seeders who are the sole seeder for (otherwise) dead/lost torrent

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

qbittorrent all time statistics showing 107 tib up, 17 tib down

and just for fun the top 5

top 5 torrents in qbt sorted by uploaded

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I haven't measured my leech/seed ratio anywhere since waffles.fm went away but whatever I had on there I was damn proud of

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I was not prepared to read something this... Emotionally charged/heartbreaking?

https://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/dswbt6/rip_waffles/

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

yeah it was a really great private tracker! I put a lot of effort into making a few rips that earned a "golden waffle" badge on them, meaning I followed their super specific procedure for ripping that included a log demonstrating it was a perfect operation. not to mention having a great seed ratio!

was such an awesome tracker for audiophiles. lots of torrents, great seeding culture, great quality all around.

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sweet.

I have no experience whatsoever with private trackers, but this story really got me intrigued. Is it possible for me to apply (?) for a private tracker, be a part of it, while also keeping seeding that which I have now? Maybe I'm just overthinking it and there is no conflict between seeding on public trackers at the same time?

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 2 points 3 days ago

You can! qbittorrent can manage both private and public torrents at the same time. You can also cross seed with it, but it's more involved than checking a box or clicking a button.

The main issue with private trackers is getting in. Most of them need an invite from a user that is already inside, and you can't ask for invites or ask them for an account.

Some trackers have open signup days, and some others require you to go through an interview process to get in. After you're accepted to those, you can gather reputation and user level, and eventually, access to invite forums. In there, you can be "recruited" to more exclusive trackers.

It's a really interesting concept, and despite its closedness (or thanks to it), it really is night and day with public trackers. You can find a lot more stuff, torrents rarely die, you can request new stuff, you get fast download speeds, and everything is way better tagged and organized than on public trackers.

If you're curious about music trackers, REDACTED (RED) and Orpheus (OPS) both usually have interviews open. You can read more about the process and the interview material here for RED and here for OPS.

Additionally, I've heard MyAnonaMouse (MAM) has a really friendly community for starters. It's mainly a book tracker, but it also has some music. It regularly opens registrations, info here.

There are also some general content trackers around that sometimes have open registrations, but the registration windows are short and random. You can subscribe to !trackers@lemmy.dbzer0.com , where people post open registration windows for trackers.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 3 days ago

I can't imagine any reason anyone would care what torrents are being seeded by a private tracker user outside of that private tracker

[–] percent@infosec.pub 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Mine is around 1.1. I don't use any trackers, so no obligations there. I seed just enough that I'm not a net negative on the network

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The whole concept of 🏴‍☠️ is that there are no rules, so don't you mind any of that! And it's not a competition! 1.1 is fabulous!!! 😊

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are no rules.
But theres a code of honor that should be followed to some degree.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"rules? where we're going we don't need rules"

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[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

My ratio is awful because the tracker I usually use has a seeding rule of either a 1 ratio or 10 days seeding and after those 10 days I'm pretty much always on 0 upload.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Keep it seeding? 🤷
Or what is stopping you

[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My system moves and renames files rather than linking them so anything still seeding is taking up double the storage.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

Then start hardlinking instead of moving.
(at least if it's the same storage volume)

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[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How many of these are Anna's archive chunks?

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago

Haha, I wish... If I was a bazillionaire, I'd backup the whole damn thing. 😥

[–] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago
[–] rektstarsceosu@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

it ain't much but it's honest work

[–] almost1337@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

I had good a good ratio back in the demonoid days, but nowadays I prefer usenet as my primary and set qb to stop seeding at 2.

[–] nfms@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)


It's not much, it's probably only been up for a year, no private trackers plus I only dl what I really want to see these days but I try to make sure the ratio is always above 1.
Been doing this for many years on many shapes and forms across different systems and it barely fails to meet my needs.
I also have my music in slskd.

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I didn't know about slskd and thought it was a typo 🤣

[–] nfms@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

😉 it has the same UI design of SoulseekQT or Nicotine+ but it lives on my server

[–] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

16.7... Rookie number, gotta pump that up

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