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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

But liquor is a vice and the old school Christians wanted to crack down on that.

[–] bajabound@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We should ban alcohol nation wide! That'll show them! /s

[–] X@piefed.world 4 points 1 month ago

[WCTU has entered the chat.]

The only godly vices are the abuse of power and children.

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 month ago (9 children)

One of the few things I agree with the Christian right on except I think all vices, including all drugs / gambling, should be sold by state run stores. The profit motive and addiction don't mix well

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How could he possibly afford that!?

It's like suddenly there's more money and it's getting distributed /s

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It's not even more money yet. This is just the same city funds being redistributed to areas where it can be useful.

Meaning ANY Mayor could have done this, they chose not to.

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago

how could he afford that?! NO you shouldn’t look at the for-profit businesses making healthy revenue!!!

[–] Tango@piefed.ca 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I must say, this Mamdani fellow seems to be having a lot of success very quickly. One has to wonder why nobody ever tried any of this before. Can it really be that the switch to using Ranked Choice Voting in NY primaries made THAT much of a difference in the type of candidate that made it through?

[–] GutterRat42@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Why do you think republicans are trying to make it illegal?

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think, for the longest time, the mayors have just been in on the racket. If you don't ruffle feathers, the rich keep schmoozing you. Just keep your head down.

I think it's always been that "easy"; they just didn't care to do it.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t forget Trump’s gas stations which sell gasoline below market rate!

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Doubt it. We just don’t know how’s he’s enriching himself with that yet.

[–] jaschen@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Is the fire department socialism? Everyone pays for a service/insurance that 99.9% people might never use, but want to have in case some shit went down. Why does nobody think this is socialism is beyond me.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There are some dumbass libertarians who advocate for privatizing fire fighting because of that

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

A lot of firefighting company actually used to be private, owned and operated by insurance companies

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[–] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Funny how they also don't say a peep about Mitch shit bag basically using our tax money to pay his healthcare... in essence, something we pay for--all while not having to go to work for weeks on end. Something the rest of us would not be privileged to have. Fucking wanker.

[–] Blibly@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Mitch literally pulling a no-call no-show and getting away with it.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The next time they call you 'Socialist' ask them to explain how the Homestead Act wasn't Socialism.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm not from the US and hadn't heard of this. But are we arguing it WAS socialism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Acts

From my very cursory reading of the above, seems like imperialism handing out indigenous land to settlers, no?

In conclusion, I'm saying this definitely does not look like socialism to me. Socialism is democratic control over society by the workers, and the Homestead Acts (from my cursoru understanding) don't seem to be that. Just maybe the tiniest bit better than having massive slave operated holdings by oligarchs.

I think that they're implying that people likely to argue that state-controlled stores are socialist are also likely to conflate any service or good offered by the state is socialism.

In the US, "socialism" is both demonized and the actual definition is obfuscated by right-wing (read: most) media in the same way other terms are, such as "woke". This alienates the average person in the US from movements, policies, organizations, etc that would benefit them, from free school lunch programs to socialist representatives running on taxing the wealthy.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes, my comment was very US centric.

First, the Homestead Act gave land to a lot of people who were tenant farmers. It enraged the rich folks who saw their profits go down, and it was a boon to the ancestors of a lot of the MAGAs. They'll crow about how their great grandparents came in covered wagons and ignore the fact that they couldn't have afforded the land if it wasn't for a government program.

Second, in my opinion, all political labels are meaningless outside the classroom. There are billionaires in the Chinese Communist Party and North Korea calls itself a Democratic Republic.

I've literally had this conversation with some of my fellow americans.

Them = All Socialist states fail!

Me = What about the Scandinavian countries?

Them = They aren't really Socialist.

Me = So, we can have their health care system?

Them = [Usually silence, sometimes and explanation that it only works there because the population is not as diverse as america.]

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

They should embrace that. Yes, it is socialism. Socialism is how you get these good things for the community. Stop treating the word Socialism like it's scary and own it.

[–] user_name@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Very funny to me that “libertarian” New Hampshire does the same.

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[–] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (12 children)

PA also has state run liquor stores. I always thought Ohio was the only other state.

Anywhoots, yea I think that is a good thing. And not just because it eases people into seeing how socialism is a good thing.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Utah and Idaho are both state run liquor stores.

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

NH has them too, and it's some of the cheapest prices around. One of the biggest stores is right on the state line because people from MA cross the border to buy booze cheap.

It's also the only place in the area that doesn't have legal pot, and the theory is that lawmakers keep rejecting it until it's federally legal because they want to make tax money on it just like they've done with liquor. Problem is that it doesn't look like the feds are getting on board any time soon, and being the "live free or die" state with the only place with no weed when all the places its border touches have it is kind of embarrassing.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the theory is that lawmakers keep rejecting it until it’s federally legal because they want to make tax money on it just like they’ve done with liquor.

Um... that is really odd. I used to live in Illinois, which has had legal weed for years, and they've been taxing it and raking in the dough all along. In fact, a lot of states with legal weed collect tax on the sale of it.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So apparently it's not socialism when you get drunk?

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How the USSR achieved full communism. Yes.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Tremendous amounts of alcohol were involved in the creation of the Confederacy as well.

The first few battles were basically bar fights.

[–] nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

I miss when the state ran our liquor stores. Was much cheaper.

[–] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

To the surprise of no-one

[–] Caption@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Don't lots of states operate liquor stores? I know Canada does.

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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

And what if it is?

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

how do liquor stores work in Alabama? would a customer tell the difference between a liquor store in bama vs another state?

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I don't know about Alabama, but Pennsylvania also has state-owned liquor stores. For PA, you can get beer and wine in a lot of places, including ~~gas stations~~, supermarkets, and beer stores. However, if you want hard liquor, you have to go to specific stores just for that. If you go to a beer store looking for rum, you'll be out of luck.

ETA: Only certain licensed gas stations sell beer and it differs by local laws, so YMMV.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For PA, you can get beer and wine in a lot of places

When I first moved here nearly 20 years ago, this was not the case. You could only buy beer at special stores where you could only buy it by the case, or you could buy individual six-packs to take home at bars and taverns. Wine was only available from the state-run stores along with the hard liquor (and this is still the case for the hard stuff). Coming from a state that had fucking drive-thru daiquiri shops, this was hard to accept.

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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