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#bothSides and people trying to avoid understanding
Why is it the voters fault when the party does nothing to inspire confidence or enthusiasm?
Because the other option was Hitler.
Because voters are fucking adults and it's their responsibility to make the best decision under the circumstances they find themselves so their quality of life doesn't degenerate even more.
No one inspired you? Too fucking bad. Look at the facts. Make the most intelligent decision.
I think if you have any long term vision, the best solution is revolution. There was no choice available in which things get better. The only choice is how fast do you want things to get worse.
Things would get pretty bad during and after a revolution as well.
If the authoritarians win - shit gets 100x worse for everyone "for the sake of security"
If the revolutionaries win there is a good chance those that become the new head of state aren't going to be much better and/or now that it's been proven that revolutions can change governments whose to say that another one doesn't break out because the new government isn't doing stuff "right". This becomes a bloody spiral with no real end.
Saying we need to revolt without really looking at the long term consequences of that action is foolish.
The facts are voting for the lesser of two evils is how we got to this point.
Edit: Before you assume, yes I voted for biden and Harris in 2020 and 2024.
Big “Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!” energy.
It's the folks we made apathetic's fault! Now watch us run on trump 1 policies to trinagulate the conservative vote again. We'll even have Steve Bannon on stage this time! You have to vote for us. Don't you dare despair!
There is not a single politician that is capable of stopping the decline of the America. The exact character of that decline is alterable but the violence and destitution is not. This is how empires die.
Stop blaming other working class people and start destroying the system that made this all inevitable. Continuing to fight amongst ourselves over the details of a problem instead of the problem itself is counter productive.
I mean yes, but also very much no.
The decline of the Roman Empire, from Trajanus Maximus to the fall of Rome, took more than 300 years.
The British empire peaked in the 1920s and has been managing its decline somewhat gracefully since then.
But leave it to the Americans to just throw everything into the woodchipper yelling “FUCK YOU LOSERS WE’RE STILL NUMBER ONE” all the way down.
It can take a long time like Rome or it could be short like the third reich. It will be violent though. The "graceful" British decline hasn't been anywhere close to peaceful. I think the best explanation for this relatively low magnitude of violence is that the British empire never died, it just lost rank. It was supplanted. It still benefits heavily from imperialism, just in a different form and to a lesser degree. The Suez Canal crisis is a great case study on how the British empire came to understand its lost of supremacy and accept its new place in the world hierarchy.
The big difference with America (and the collective Western imperial system) is that should China succeed in dominating the world economic hierarchy, it could be the end of that hierarchy. At least that's what capitalist leaders are currently thinking will happen. I believe this decline has to be violent because it is the last flail of a system that knows it is dying rather than a country accepting second best. They think if China wins the jig is up basically.
Correct. There is not a single politician that is capable of it. The nature of democracy is that any change requires movement and many supporters.
Let me rephrase. Politicans do not have the power to prevent the economic decline of an empire losing its hegemonic power as a result of the contradictions within its system of production. But I think you know what I meant.
Non-voters should be on the front lines.
After they write an apology letter to all the people that died to give them a democracy and visit their graves to deliver the letters.
Hard agree. If you're not voting at all you're basically saying "do whatever you want to me government daddy, no matter what you do I support you!".
At the very least, you should be registering a protest vote with a third party so that your protest is recorded.
I don't agree with this whole idea that Nader gave the election to Bush. Nader said he would have dropped out if Gore had adopted certain things into his platform.
One of the few things they can do that has any measurable effect on outcomes and they decided, "nah, fuck all that."
It really sucks that modern center-left parties position themselves as "well, there's worse"
Well, there is.
the vote is the only say you get. letting that go unused is just opting out. democracy only lives through participation.
While I agree in not surrendering any power through inaction, voting is not the only say you get. There's 100 other things one could do as well that could make things less shitty.
Voting is the easiest way to bring political change or preserve things you like about society.
the vote is the only say you get.
bless your heart
Is this an adaptation of Cormac McCarthyz 'The Road'?
Yes but it’s not as good as the book.
But it's got Viggo.
I didn't vote because I was physically not allowed to. I am still kinda sympathethic after 6th trolley problem in a row people stop playing the game.
Two things can be bad.
But one can be extremely worse.
And when one of those bad things is much much worse, it's an easy choice to pick the one that is less bad.
it’s an easy choice to pick the one that is less bad
Tell that to millions of braindead Americans.
What do you think I've been doing?
Always a tankie from Lemmy.ml with a curious predisposition to defending Russia and China who espoused both sides false equivalence fallacies. How curious.
To be fair, they pretty much built this place. They were here before the whole Reddit thing, and they stuck around. Most normies just up and left.
I don’t particularly want to talk about the evils of capitalism in every thread. It’s really really bad, but I have diverse interests, and have some form of object permanence, it’s ok to talk about something else once in a while. But that’s the only content that gets any engagement here because we left and they stayed.
So chalk another one for the old small-d democratic notion of “decisions are made by those who show up”. This is the “get lectured by Tankies” social media network now.
Yknow, now that you say it, it does kinda make sense that the people simping for pro-Israel politicians would essentially barge into a space someone else built, decide it's theirs now, and try and kick out the people who were here first.
The problem with this place is that I can’t tell whether you’re serious or not.
Real talk. Don't judge them based on their instance though.
There are some very smart(if not misguided) users in .ml
suuure... also don't judge nazis just based on the nazi uniform, there are some smart, if not misguided, nazis!
Not trying to argue, but some user taught me to not be judgemental.
I hope to pass it on.
i think that sometimes you have to be judgemental... otherwise the person in the nazi uniform might think that that uniform is tolerated by others. it is clear that the judgement itself doesn't fix the problem, but you can't be tolerant to everything.
Very well put.
It’s a contract, not a paradox. If you opt out you are no longer covered by the terms of the contract.
Strong argument.
But there are Nazi voters who are genuinely good people otherwise. Yes they are ignorant.
I was going to try and defend them more, but I'm over it. I ain't going to Thanksgiving this year.
if you are nazi voter, you are not good person, that is not how being good person works.