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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck this stupid fuck. We need high-speed rail across the entire country. It needs to start somewhere, and become the new normal.

[–] randy@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know about the whole country, because there's a lot of low-density space where it's hard to justify this level of infrastructure cost.

But the Quebec City-Windsor corridor absolutely needs high-speed rail because it includes roughly half of Canada's population. It's even conveniently arranged in a straight line! Driving in this region is hindered by tons of traffic, and flying has huge carbon costs. Rail should be the default way to get around in this region.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When rail was first built across Canada it was done when Canada had a population of ~4 million and preceded most of our development. That's what "nation building" infrastructure is about. Transportation infrastructure in particular has a huge role to play in developing that low density space.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

People are fine running a road somewhere to spur growth but a rail line is a "waste of money". Cities used to build their subways out to undeveloped land because its way easier to do that before the land is developed and the subway line would give a reason to develop it.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 56 points 1 week ago

Conservative leader demands taxpayer money be wasted during an oil crisis.

[–] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"This $90-billion Liberal boondoggle doesn't make sense."

This isn't even a boondoggle yet. I mean, of course it's going to go way over budget and be late, and of course it will eventually be a boondoggle, but you can't slap that label on it until it is!

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Considering the Liberal track record, the final bill would be closer to $300billion.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

The joy of using the lowest bidder. Takes longer, costs more, lower quality. Procurement needs to change. Lowest bid always costs more cause they cut corners to be lowest, then the city/province/feds need to pony up more and more in sunk cost bs. Lowest bid and highest bid need to be tossed, requirements to stay on budget/time need to be implemented and used as a metric in future projects. This company always goes over time/budget? They get pushed down the list, only accepted for lower level projects until they prove themselves. Project comes in on time/budget? They get a leg up on next project as they are reliable. Why does every effort of the gov't to save money cost us more?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

How far under budget is Metrolinx under Drug Ford?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile a $40B (min) pipeline that no private oil&gas company wants is a totally realistic and smart project to spend on. Keep talking PP, it's working!

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Plus the $20-25B we dump into Alberta oil every single year.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago

"doesn't make sense" Talk to us at $2L gas l'il PP.

Subsiding Alberta oil at $20B a year really makes no sense.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As gas prices are at record levels, PP tries to keep you dependent on cars and gasoline.

EVERYTHING PP does is an attempt to make you buy oil & gas.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

So its a liberal "land grab" because some land may be used to build desperately needed infrastructure, something that happens all the time for roadway construction and expansion, yet hes silent on conservative premier Doug Fords Airport BS that somehow isn't a convervative land grab?

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How fortunate for Carney to have this guy as an opponent.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

That is literally the only reason he won!

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

Eat shit, PP.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Poilievre isn't against money it just has to spent to benefit those already in power.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I reckon the high speed rail will benefit those in power, but it doesn't benefit him

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How does that waste of a human carcass manage to be on the wrong side of every single damn issue?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because Pierre represents hard working Americans.

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I should have said, on the wrong side of everything except the Canada/US border when he went on Joe Rogan

[–] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

PP says a lot of stupid things.

[–] DriftingLynx@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

It is kinda his thing.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What I would like to see is include the ticket price, and then include how many years before the project is paid for. Obviously, also include the savings incurred by less maintenance on roads etc. because of the traffic moved to high speed rail.

We can do this for bridges, why not for high speed rail?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

We can do this for bridges, why not for high speed rail?

Because we periodically elect PCs, who will sell this off on 100 year leases.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Not just less maintenance on roads and bridges, but also reduced need for building new and expanded roads and bridges.

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't get ahead of your self. This project will never pay for its self. If people used mass transit via would have alot more service. Porter airlines wouldn't be pushing for turbo jets to go further destinations. You got be realistic about these things.

This project is 1, a wicked subsidy that's gona create a healthy amount of jobs, good skilled jobs. I can expand on that further. 2 a way to put Canada πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦ on the map of not being bass akward USA light.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

I think a couple of things can be true at the same time. Long term, high speed rail is a good thing. Also true is this project will definitely be vastly over budget. I would just like to see some concrete data to let us know the planners have actually looked at the factors.

[–] normonator@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He should just shut up and fuck off somewhere. Nothing of value would be lost.

I don't live there but there's no way this is not needed.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He should just shut up and fuck off somewhere.

[–] normonator@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Not a single brain cell in that picture.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Complaining about how extremely expensive trains are, no objections at all to spending ten times that much on fighter jets, battleships, and attack submarines.

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

cries in Canada Post

[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Little Poil here, promise to give money to a project in Quebec City that was deemed useless by no less than tree independents studies. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t understand what could be useful

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fuck you ill go fisty cuffies over this any day any minute any time. I want my high speed Choo Choo.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

High speed choo choo is what I needed to see!

[–] IndridCold@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

High Speed. I Choo Choo Choose you!

I thought it was basic economics that increasing mobility increases production.

It's dumbass bullshit like this that proves that modern conservatives are not meant to be taken seriously. They are a party of billionaire donors that are only interested in taxing the ever loving fuck out of regular people to fund tax breaks for their blindingly rich donors.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

That's obvious. It could potentially help the plebes, and it's very far from Regina and Edmonton.

[–] dipcart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

God if he ruins this I would be so upset. I don't even live in that area but I'm just happy to see an expansion of that sort of infrastructure in Canada