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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

There was a post about making cats vegan. The mod then decided that people posting information on why that is a bad idea were antivegan or something. The mod started then removing any information that pointed to cats not being able to be health while on a vegan diet. The Lemmy.world admins them stepped in stating that improperly feeding your cat constitutes animal abuse and is unethical. This made many die hard vegans very mad.

For the record, cats can not be vegan. They can survive on it but they will have shorter more painful lives and they will go blind. There bodies start breaking down without the proteins and amino acids found in meat. I understand why vegans would be unhappy with that answer but it is the way it is.

Interesting enough, that's not the case for dog. You can put a dog on a vegan diet as long as you are very careful and are constantly monitoring. It isn't for the faint of heart and can have very sad outcomes. It isn't something you can arbitrarily do.

[–] PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I am a vegan. While my dogs were alive they ate meat as well as veggies. It seems to me that a lot of vegans don't realise that it's a scale and not binary. The whole philosophy of veganism is "as much as you are able" so I guess there is extremism everywhere.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm vegan and I don't know why these "vegans" are towing the line to to include non-human species. It's just as gross for vegan humans to apply their values to values in a dominant manner as it is for non-vegans to. Literally vegans doing this is antithesis to the entire cause.

I'm glad they got slapped. You'll always have idiots in a movement I guess...

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What I don't understand about all of this is the consent aspect: your cat/dog/pet did not consent to a vegan diet, so why are you forcing it on them? Obviously you can't ask your pet what they want for dinner, but left to their own devices, I doubt any of them would choose a vegan diet, so... Why force it on them?

Even ignoring all of the science and everything, morally/ethically, it just feels messed up to me. It'd be like forcing your child to eat food they're allergic to because it's healthier/more ethical, despite it causing health issues for them.

Absolutely wild

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[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's bizarre to me that harcore vegans want to own a pet to begin with. Keeping bees for honey is bad, but separating a kitten from its mother at an early age and castrating it for your convenience and deciding how they live (restricted to an apartment or not) is totally fine?

I understand that most pets live a good life, but man, I can't bring myself to make choices like these. I mean there are ways to circumvent it (get an older cat from an asylum for example) but it doesn't really remove the "pet dilemma" to me.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I knew a hardcore vegan girl like a decade ago when it was rather rare to see someone to that extreme, or at least to me. She said she feeds her cat only vegan food, and i was pretty sure that that's not a thing, but i didn't really know. Her roommate then told me that she goes through quite a lot of cats, because they either die or run away.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Most people I know adopt from rescue shelters and all the vegans I know do that, often even focusing on pets that are somewhat "disadvantaged" regarding getting adopted, i.e. disabled or chronically ill animals. They go to an animal shelter not primarily with the wish of having a pet but providing a better life for an animal (because let's face it, even the best-intentioned shelters are understaffed and underfunded).

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

I understand why vegans would be unhappy with that answer but it is the way it is.

I don't. Veganism is about the fact that humans can live without animal products, which is true. Not accepting that actual carnivores exist, even being unhappy with this means you're well in extremist nutjob territory.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Disclaimer that I'm not even a vegan but you're spreading disinfo here to make vegans seem completely unreasonable. I suggest anyone check out the actual discussions instead of trusting this summary.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree.

I'm not a expert so you should read up on it. The problem is that the vegan community was only allowing random studies saying how cats were healthier on a vegan diet. None of those papers were peer reviewed or all that credible. On the other side there is tons of research and articles written by actual experts that say it is a bad idea. I looked it up before making this comment.

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[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Cats are obligate carnivores, sparky. That means they can't be vegan.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't know enough about that topic to argue for or against which is not what I'm trying to argue

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You don't know enough about the topic to argue but claim someone else is spreading misinformation.

Well if you don't know the topic but are making claims like this then it seems like you may be the one spreading misinformation.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The mod then decided that people posting information on why that is a bad idea were antivegan or something. The mod started then removing any information that pointed to cats not being able to be health while on a vegan diet.

Pets eat pre-processed food, and we've had vegetarian protein supplements for a while. How does this work for cats? Idk, ask a vet. But these foods have been around for a while and I'm not hearing about a mass die-off of indoor cats as a result, so I'm willing to give vegan cat owners the benefit of the doubt.

For the record, cats can not be vegan. They can survive on it but they will have shorter more painful lives and they will go blind.

The expected lifespan of feral cats in the wild runs around 2-5 years. House cats routinely live into their teenage years and can hit north of 20. The ideal lifestyle for a cat is indoors, regardless of the precise composition of their diets.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Vegans argued that cats, which are obligate carnivores, can eat a vegan diet safely. Lemmy.world admin removed the posts for being misinformation, and the vegan community threw a fit over it.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ask your vet what they think about a vegan diet for your pets. They will tell you "no". That should really be the end to the discussion, but I guess these guys think they know better than actual experts.

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[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Apropos of nothing - a few months ago I was looking at one of the sites that curated Fediverse block lists. (Can't remember which one.)

Now some of the blocks were quite reasonable. If a hundred site admins look at your site and go "wait a second, these guys are Nazis" and block the site, that's not so controversial, OK?

But some of the blocks were, uh, how do I put this...?

Individual drama between site admins and their cliques.

Beef.
So much beef.
So much beef that I immediately thought "gee, how can c/vegan even safely exist in Lemmy? There's so much beef everywhere."

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Until I joined Lemmy I had no idea how militant vegans could be. I sorta just assumed they were a different brand of vegetarian.

I'm not opposed to their ideaology in any way, but after reading the comments on a few posts that found their way into my feed... I had to block their communities. It didn't seem likely that I'd be reading any productive discourse there.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I was vegan for 8 years and during that time I didn't talk to anyone about it other than to say, "I don't eat that."

I say that to say this - vegans are insufferable and a large reason why I quit the community and went back to omnivore. Even after 8 years, other vegans were still 'more vegan' and would nitpick the dumbest stuff.

"Bro, did you eat a date? That killed a bee or something. Not cool."

Shut up with that. Let me eat my damn fruit.

I was healthier though. But, to be fair, I was younger.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 2 years ago

"Bro, did you eat a date? That killed a bee or something. Not cool.”

I'm a level 5 vegan. I won't eat anything that casts a shadow.

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[–] AccountMaker@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago

Exactly my experience. I often heard stories of vegans being like that, but I never ever saw it so I thought it was just made up to belittle vegans.

Then I joined lemmy and found out that I'm apparently in favour of massacres, slavery and rape because I consume meat/milk/eggs from time to time.

I imagine the vast majority of vegans just go about their lives and resprectfully discuss the ethics of animal consumption when the topic comes up, but these loud militant members really make vegans look bad and they sure as hell make it so that even less people consider going vegan

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I have lots of friends that are vegan/have been vegan, or are sympathetic to the cause. IRL I have had some wonderful conversations about veganism and the ethics of our diet. But on the Internet it's the vegans ironically that need to get out and touch grass. It's like there's no nuance to any conversation, like sorry I can be Peter Singer, it's actually kinda difficult to be that moral.

[–] mihnt@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

This topic touches a very soft spot in my heart as I've had to watch a cat die from being forced on a vegan diet. I've seen the results, and it is so very sad. Keep your goddamn morals out of other's lives. Especially an animal that has no say in the matter. Fuck vegans.

[–] molten@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Whoah whoah whoah. Let's chill with the general fuck vegans statement. Most vegans are just people. Now the psycho vegans who try to make their cats eat vegan. Fuck those people. But broad statements like "fuck this group" tend to stick in people's heads and promote undeserved hate. "Fuck the Nazi's"? Yeah. "Fuck Germans"? No.

[–] 2001aCentenaryofFederation@fedia.io 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I see no difference between militant pro-lifers and militant vegans. You don’t get a say in how I choose to interpret the information presented to me. But if you want to teach me things I didn’t know before or hadn’t considered I’m happy to listen. Just don’t tell me my choices are morally reprehensible when they’re my choices

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not just your choices alone, you're ignoring something here: If the animal whose death you pay for every day could speak, it would object. If it could defend itself, it would fight against its death. It wants to go on living just like you. But you kill it anyway, against its will, because you can, because the animal is innocent and because you simply like it's taste.
In addition to this violence, animal agriculture is also causing great damage to our planet, so your personal choice affects the lifes of other people, living and yet to be born as well. I can hardly think of any parallels to the pro-lifers.

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[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Context: official c/vegan post, lemmy.world admin post 1 of 2
TL;DR: Debate over whether claiming that plant-based diets for carnivorous animals could be safe constitutes encouraging animal abuse + whether an admin's reaction to demote the entire mod team was justified

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow that is a proper trash fire comment section! Haven't seen one that stinky since I left reddit

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“Meatsplained” made my day though fr.

[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Genuinely the stupidest word I have ever read in my entire life

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