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I know - you're very probably already sixteen. That's why we are here.

If you've managed to miss the coming change in the law, I envy you. This silly law has taken up several hours of my year that could have been spent doing something more productive like watching Golden Girls.

But, the law is here now and we need to take "Reasonable Steps" to ensure that everyone is over sixteen. If you are wondering what "reasonable steps" is, then join the club. Nobody really knows. What I do know is that we have to start to make an effort to be sure that no young'uns are here against the law.

To that end, we have hired a helpful bot called Molly. She's an expert at being sixteen and she's just been told that it's her job is to verify all your ages. Here she is:

What's next? Well, in the first phase we ask that you drop her a Message that verifies you are over 16. She doesn't want to see your government ID. Some ideas that she would accept are:

  1. A passenger takes a photo of your username on a sheet of paper with you driving (please don't make this one a selfie). Faces not required.
  2. A photo of your username with a glass of alcohol at a bar.
  3. A convincing spiel that would only come from someone older than sixteen (Can you tell Molly who Samantha is?). Can you tell her about the Breakfast Club that only 70's/80's kids from Queensland would know?
  4. Anything else you can think of that only someone over sixteen could/would do.

There's no need to spend a lot of time on this. At this point, I'll go through the users who have messaged her and compile a list of people who have verified their age. You can be creative. Just be aware that there's an infinitesimal chance (but not zero) that whatever you send may be sent to some government agency to demonstrate that we are complying with the law.

Frequently Asked Questions:

  1. How do you know that the user isn't faking their submission? I don't. No method is perfect, we saw kids defeating intricate and expensive verification systems earlier this year. Kids are smart.
  2. How do you stop a kid from moving their account to one of the thousands of non-Australian Lemmy Instances and just continuing on with their day? I can't. The fact that the law is totally ineffectual in the context of Lemmy is beside the point. We clearly meet the definition of a Social Media platform according to the law, and we are based in Australia. So we have to comply, even if it is pointless.
  3. Are you aware that this is pointless and kids are going to get around it? I know that teenage-me sure would have. But again, that's beside the point. We need to comply with the law.
  4. Will you accept a photo of me in my undies? Ok, this one isn't frequent from previous discussions on the law, but I wanted to include it in case. Please don't send NSFW photos to show you are over age.
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[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The 'drop her a message' link needs to be a lot more obvious, IMO.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Reading Comprehension and attention span are a part of the test.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Am I allowed to deliberately ignore that part of the message because it's more fun to be verified in public?

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

No. You won't be included in the compilation of compliant users when we go through the messages.

[–] trk@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How about an account I created 20 years ago, does that count? 😁

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/user/75046

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That would absolutely count if you can somehow send Molly a message she can verify from that account. Make a post form your sixteen-year old Whirlpool/Reddit/etc account saying that you are user@aussie.zone and then send the link to the post to Molly. Sorted.

[–] trk@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Added my username to the profile page and messaged that, cause I'm proactive 💪💪

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] trk@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Holy smokes, triple digits 😳... What a flex

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

I missed out on a six-digit icq number by about a week. My mate. My mate didn't miss out and yeah - it was quite the flex giving out his six digit icq.

[–] TheFermentalist@reddthat.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What if I promise faithfully (so help me Dog) that I am over 16? If that doesn’t work, my 20 year old son will vouch for me. And anyone else willing to pay him.

[–] Molly@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for bringing that up. The good news is that it only affects users at our instance. I should make that clearer on the title. That's one of the reasons the law is pointless. A kid can sign up at another instance that isn't in Australia and be otherwise unaffected.

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's funny how the mainstream media has focused only on listing the big social media giants as being the targets.

I've also had a message from another not so mainstream hookup app that the proof of age is coming and to prepared to comply. How remains to be seen.

I must say I really like the idea of ordering a drink at a bar with the user name.

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Is there going to be a spike in alcohol sales because of this ban?

Could i even say... beer and pints.. to the moon?!? 🌜🪙🍺💱🍻💲🌛

Watch out bars of Australia! Here comes the Lemmy wave!

[–] melbaboutown@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (12 children)

I no longer drink, don’t have a car and don’t wish to appear in any photos. And despite having been a redditor for 12 years, changing handles frequently for privacy means I’ve been Melbaboutown for much less than that. I’m not sharing any other accounts as the long term ones are doxable.

It sucks that Lemmy is being forced to do this and I wouldn’t even humour it for a second if it wasn’t you guys asking.

Guess if I want to keep talking to you awesome units Molly is just going to have to hear about my calcium pills, gaming off floppy discs as a child, and how I still have the Walkman I owned as a teen. Also Video Ezy and Blockbuster.

Whether the government wants to believe me is up to them.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

gaming off floppy discs as a child

Dang. I'm a little younger than you. We had floppy disks when I was in year 1 & 2, but I remember having a Powerpoint project where some of the kids' Powerpoint files were too big to fit on a floppy.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I just added my aussie.zone nick to my reddit profile. Considering that account itself is almost a teenager, should be good.

Don't make me break out my livejournal. I'll do it. I'm a madwoman.

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[–] eatham@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What happens if I don't get around to it by the 10th? Will my account be deleted, or temporarily disabled until I provide proof? I likely won't be able to do it in time.

Also, is it ok to send govt ID with the info blacked out (with Date of birth visible)?

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

This is the first round of verification. There will be more than one. At some point I'll resort to sending direct messages to stragglers.

The law is vague about our requirements. It's vague on lots of things.

We need to proactively ban users who identify themselves as children. We don't have to immediately ban every unverified account, but at some point we're going to need to have some sort of record of age verification for active users.

Waste of everyone's time? Yep.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't envy your position.

I'm certain that this new law has nothing to do with protecting children, and only exists to provide a way for AI companies to start making money.

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[–] SteveTech@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

I likely won't be able to do it in time.

Yeah same. I'm currently overseas and still will be on the 10th. I don't drink, and I'm born in the earlyish noughties so I can't provide a very convincing spiel.

[–] zero_gravitas@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Just be aware that there’s an infinitesimal chance (but not zero) that whatever you send may be sent to some government agency to demonstrate that we are complying with the law.

On this point, as I understand it, the personal information provided for verification can - and indeed should - be destroyed once it has been used for the purpose it was provided.

I assume you might need to keep a (non-identifying) record of how a user was age-verified to prove that you've been complying, but not the personal data used to do the verification.

Albo has been claiming that Australian privacy law requires that the data be destroyed once it's used for age verification, but the language of the law I think has 'reasonable' in there, which gives more wiggle room than the GDPR, for example. It was discussed on the Law Report on Radio National: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lawreport/countdown-to-australia-s-social-media-ban/105871968 (sorry, no idea of the timestamp, and there doesn't seem to be a transcript either)

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

There is no requirement that the verification actually actually be personal information. So far, the responses have all convinced me they were of age, and zero of them have had any personal information. Only one user has included a part of themselves in a photo and it's probably my favourite response - but it isn't personally identifiable.

But you are also correct - we need to destroy stuff like government if provided. Which is even more work than this headache already is. So we don't want that as a method.

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[–] Whimsical418@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

“Not happy Jan!”

[–] Alamutjones@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Hi Molly. I’m a bona fide fossil

[–] anotherspringchicken@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If my comment history that includes whinging about menopause doesn’t count, how about a HRT label pic? (Name redacted, of course)

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

how about a HRT label pic

Definitely should qualify if you're in Queensland!

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I just mentioned rewinding VHS tapes and loving limpbizkit, is this proof :|

https://aussie.zone/post/27191076/20122605

I guess the question I have, what % of us are under 30? Do people under 30 know about the internet outside of instagram/reddit/facebook/youtube?

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I was under 30 when I made this account.

I no longer am.

Dunno if that counts.

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Fwiw although the legislation says it applies to all social media, it seems as though the regulation that's been imposed by the eSafety commissioner to actually implement that legislation relies on designating platforms. And AZ has not been designated. Only "Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Threads, TikTok, Twitch, X, YouTube, Kick and Reddit are age-restricted platforms". So it seems as though there may not be any obligation for us to comply.

IANAL though, so take this with salt.

But if you are going to preemptively comply, taking the chinwag approach as you have seems like a pretty good method.

[–] zero_gravitas@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

I had previously got a similar impression from the eSafety Commissioner's publication of those lists of platforms, but it does not seem to be the case they are actually defining regulation there. The lists seem to be, essentially, only statements of intent about which platforms that eSafety will seek enforcement of compliance on.

See here: https://www.esafety.gov.au/about-us/industry-regulation/social-media-age-restrictions/which-platforms-are-age-restricted

eSafety does not have a formal role in declaring which services are age-restricted social media platforms. In the absence of any rules made by the Minister of Communications specifying a service is either an age-restricted social media platform or not an age-restricted social media platform, any determination that a service is or is not an age-restricted social media platform is a matter for the court.

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Proof of age:

I'm using method 3 and telling you that I never watched a lot of the show, but I have a very strong distinct memory of one episode of Round the Twist (last released in 2001, 24 years ago) where one of the characters gains the ability to read minds. But then it messes up and suddenly it reverses, so everyone can read their mind instead. That's the only episode that's absolutely seared into my brain for some reason.

I also distinctly remember at one point somewhere in the range '99-'04, a block of children's programming (I think it was on the ABC) on a Friday, which you knew was over when the MASH theme started playing. I've never properly watched the show, but Suicide is Painless is stuck in my head because of that fact. I don't even know how long that block of programming lasted.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Oh and if that's not enough, hopefully you can believe that I didn't have Reddit at the age of 3 years old on an account that is today 13?

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[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What happens to anyone that doesn't message Molly?

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Nothing immediately. Unless you claim to be a child and then we're legally obligated to ban you. But if you don't send a message, we will still need verification at a later time.

Please do it. We know it's dumb. None of this is our idea. It's already work reading the responses. It'll be more work to actually chase users later. So you'll help our overall workload if you take your name off the list of users who need to be verified later.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'll write my username above my pubes with a sharpie. That'll prove I'm 16, yeah?

[–] CEOofmyhouse56@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What do you think this is bush week?

[–] Gibsonhasafluffybutt@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Everyone photograph your antacid collection!

[–] Gibsonhasafluffybutt@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sofia always rained on Blanche the horn dogs brigade. Does that work lol

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago
[–] Tau@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

One of the places I work at has a display cabinet showing historical media formats and devices, seeing things in it like the zip disc and the Sony camera that took floppies always make me feel like Elrond:

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[–] imoldgreeeg@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Well the Mighty Boosh was 20 years ago, and I have clearly drunk baileys from a shoe...

.. but in seriousness thanks Nath. Love this little corner of the interwebs and appreciate you dealing with this stupidity to keep it rolling

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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

Would a message from a seven year old mastodon account work? I mean technically I could have made that when I was 8.

Or an old blog that I had back in 2012. I guess I could have been 3 when I wrote it. Certainly the writing could be that of a three year old.

[–] sola@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Thanks for your efforts.

You can delete this account if you feel the need to, not interested in all verification stuff, even if is half arsed.

Actually joined the Internet when I was 16 back in 1994. Back then using Excite to search the Internet was better than what Google is today.

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[–] johnwicksdog@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

These strategies are quite nice. I was worried I would have to show my license which I’m not entirely comfortable with. I can easily talk about how my friend skateboarded to my house after the breakfast club first aired so we could excitedly discuss it and I could take a photo of drinking a pint while driving. Easy.

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