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Yeah so... that video is completely true and great and all... but is this video being put out by the same regime that murdered like 20 THOUSAND unarmed civilians?? Trump and his puppeteers are bad (Thiel, Heritage Foundation, Musk, Vought, Andreeson, etc.) but also the Iranian Regime is way worse. How about they all blow up each other, so the People can finally have their revolution?
It is not, actually. The group behind this is mostly a collective of around 9-10 Iran-based, Gen Z creators operating independent of the IRGC and/or official government of Iran. Their group/org name is "Explosive Media".
Lumping everyone in Iran as somehow part of "the regime" is kinda a shitty thing to do.
That, and Trump's ACA/Medicaid cuts are estimated to cause upwards of more than 50,000 premature deaths in the US, so you're also objectively wrong if going by numbers, alone.
In Trump's first term, U.S.-led coalition forces killed more than 29,000 non-combatants in Iraq and Syria.
But sure, the government fighting a CIA-backed, armed rebellion is worse than the government that--checks notes--drops tomahawk missiles on other countries' elementary schools.
About that...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd8jrd1vnyo
If you're ok having your domestic fascist regime being you're "customer" you can't really push back when people call your product propaganda for the fascist regime...
"But they offer me monies!" Isn't a good enough excuse to work for fascists with criticism for it.
Has more direct, violent control of their own people? Sure. Worse than trump and friends? Dunno bout that. Due to trump's malice and incompetence, he's getting people killed in the US as well as abroad. Plenty in Cuba are suffering and dying because of him right now. Africa too. They're both shit and I won't root for either. I certainly won't begrudge them killing our soldiers following illegal orders over there invading at least.
Yeah, Iran is super awful, but just the cuts to USAID are estimated to be responsible for at least half a million deaths.
Source: the same Zionist media denying the genocide of Palestinians. Surely a non-doctored, totally true® figure.
Also, about the "unarmed" part:
US was arming Iranian dissidents through Kurds while negotiating with Tehran, Trump reveals
So, the US sanctions Iran so heavily that the impoverished population wants to riot, and the US gives weapons to said impoverished population... Totally not a coup attempt!
The official stance of the Iranian Government is that ~3000 people were killed, ~2400 of which were civilians. Even if you choose to only believe the statement put out by the perpetrators, you still have to acknowledge that they killed multiple thousands of unarmed protestors.
If you think that shooting at civilian protestors, regardless of how much they were incited by the enemy, is in any way acceptable, then I don’t see how you can claim moral superiority.
The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
If you cared the slightest about Iranian lives, you'd be protesting the US and EU sanctions on Iran that have debilitated its economy and hence murdered hundreds of thousands of people during the past half century. Based on a study by The Lancet, US and EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY globally since 1975, or about 38 million murders since 1970.
The US playbook is to force economic turmoil through sanctions, literally starving people until they riot, arming the rioters, and then invading. Look at the protests' timing with the exchange rate of the Iranian Rial, the protestors were rioting because they were starved by the US. But you blame Iran for the starving people who are dead because of explicit US policy of starving and arming people as a destabilizing factor. You literally fell for the US attempt to generate support for the war (or at least reduce criticism) because "Iranian government bad", when ALL of those deaths and TENS OF MILLIONS MORE are the US's fault.
Oh I absolutely agree. Both sides are very much complicit. I just get the image from your comments that you seem to believe that the Iranian government is somehow innocent in this, and I cannot agree with that.
Defending oneself from US intervention and regime change attempts is as innocent as it gets. What do you propose, that they peacefully accept getting couped?
Please decide yourself. The regime killed 20,000, 30,000, or 40,000? The USA is responsible for millions of deaths. I am sorry, but the USA is way worse than the Iranian regime.
Yup, and also USA helped cause this mess with Iran as well: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ohA_cqqJbyg
the iran regime killed one billion islamillion people. look, i have a source: www.blog.palantir.com/please-just-one-more-war-please-i-beg-you-613127
lol
Two things can both be bad.
Bad people can be right.
Saying "this video by the Iranian regime roasts the US regime" doesn't automatically mean that the Iranians are right. I see the rebuttal that there's an implicit boosting and platforming of this which normalizes it. I don't know which is worse. I think we'll need hindsight for that.
Mossad and CIA operatives kicked off a violent uprising in Iran in January, following economic protests, which targeted police and other protestors. It was a cynical attempt to encourage a crackdown so Western propaganda could use it as a basis for "humanitarian intervention"
It didn't work but that absurdly false death count has stuck around like a bad smell. Verified death count is 3,000 and many of those were police.
I heard it was 20 TRILLION!!
Sorry. I don’t buy into western propaganda. The 20,000 is clearly made up.
What’s the body count have to be to solicit an unfavorable opinion? Like, can you abide a few? Gloss over a few dozen? Do you require evidence of each kill? How many people does a theocratic authoritarian government have to murder for you to be like “yeah, fuck your regime”? Don’t conflate “fuck the Ayatollah and the IRGC” with “go America”. It’s not difficult to be disgusted with two fundies leaving a trail of bodies in their wake as they argue over oil and which delivery boy made up a better version of God.
Hate to break it to you but both sides have pretty extreme propaganda. I would accept the number that multiple independent humanitarian groups all agree on, which is at least 6.8 verified, with another 11k they believe and are investigating.
Even at the level of the verified 6800, that's a lot of people directly murdered by the government. Yes the US has directly murdered many many thousands since 9/11, and indirectly many more through sanctions and Musk pulling USAID, etc. but that doesn't discount that Iran murdered like 7-20+ thousand in one stretch. That's horrid.
I have a friend in Iran, his cousin died in the protests. His body was tagged 12,014. Shut your fucking mouth if you don't know what you're talking about.
That sucks and all, and I'm sorry for your friend's loss, but that's precisely the kind of information that can be pinpointed back to him or his family. So be careful saying stuff like that.
Obviously that’s not how body tags work. Either you or your friend is making this story up.
😂 😝 😂 my friend was once the millionth customer at our local McDonalds . They added it to his social security card.
Yea, well my cousins friend also died in the protests and a bunch of his friends too and you know what his body was tagged? -2672, this means that not only is the Iranian government not killing people, they are actively resurrecting them, my cousins friend and all the other guys just got up and walked out of that morgue, good as new.
This is obviously sarcasm, it is very easy for anyone on an anonymous forum to claim whatever they want. It sounds to me like you are going out of your way to shut down conversation on this matter by unconvincingly claiming "your friends cousin" died. I bet you also had a supermodel girlfriend from two towns over.
Yep, most reporting from inside Iran puts the number killed as significantly higher than that.
Actually no, that was the previous Iranian regime (before they killed the Ayatollah). This is the new Iranian regime (with the younger Khamenei).
Maybe he's not a murderous tyrant like his dad? I suppose it's worth giving him an opportunity to build his own legacy without his father's baggage, considering the circumstances.
If he ends up murdering his own civilians too, then fuck him. But so far he hasn't done that.
the regime is the same. It's all the same people, even though the top guy is his son
Okay, so the Iranian civilians are being murdered by the Iranian government and the US government.
Can we stop arguing about which one's worse and maybe start thinking about how do we stop both of those regimes from murdering civilians?
I agree. You're the one that was making excuses for the regime.
Lol
Is that from march? Khamenei died in April...
He was killed 28 February or 1 March, depending on who you ask and possibly your time zone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Ali_Khamenei
Did he?
They did murder civilian protestors, it was not anywhere close to 20,000