Whirlybird

Criticizing the welcome to country does not make someone a neo-Nazi. Obviously not!

Seems at least one admin of this instance disagrees lol. Just had moderator status taken off me for completely unrelated subs and threatened with a ban - which is coming whenever he sees my reply - because apparently thinking that doing a “welcome to country” at an ANZAC ceremony is disrespectful to the ANZACS is a verified and official Neo-Nazi belief, even if it’s shared by millions of non-neo-Nazis, and as such is worthy of stripping moderator status and threatening a ban lol.

https://aussie.zone/comment/16252130

Disgraceful. I bet he is absolutely on board with Albo now wanting to charge anyone who boos at a welcome to country with a hate crime and send them to jail for 5 years.

I never, not once, not even remotely suggested that there was no “real neo-nazi there”. I’m not an idiot, I know there are racist fucking dipshits here. I never said there wasn’t. I said that you can’t label everyone that booed or that thought the WtC was disrespectful as a neo-Nazi, which should not be a controversial comment.

It is apparently though. Any view that a neo-Nazi has is off limits, even if they share the same view as everyone else. Thinking Albanese has been a terrible PM is probably a neo-Nazi view that’s worthy of having mod status removed and threatened to be banned, because neo-Nazis would definitely think he is a shitty PM. Better watch out you don’t criticise Albo or you’re a neo-Nazi!

Lemmy really is speed running to 2020s reddit lol. Mod the ever loving fuck out of anyone that doesn’t toe the echo chamber line, label everything you don’t agree with as “misinformation”, and just ban everyone anonymously so it doesn’t show in the mod log who did it and use the intentionally vague “trolling, bad faith, misinformation” BS reason lol.

Thought this instances was at least a bit less ideologically captured and as an Aussie one I thought it wouldn’t be censor central, but seems like certain mods have just woken from their slumber of never commenting in years and are now turning the censorship machine on. Seriously, check out their post/comment history.

That the view is also held by “neo Nazis” does not mean it is a neo-Nazi view. If neo-Nazis believe the earth is round does that make anyone that thinks the earth is round a neo-Nazi? No.

I have no tolerance for Nazis. Not every belief that a Nazi holds is an offensive belief, as I just showed. Saying that a welcome to country at the Anzac ceremony is disrespectful to the ANZACs who fought and died for this country is NOT a Nazi belief. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

Where’s this list of neo-Nazi beliefs btw? I was going to make a thread on the NRL channel about how the season and teams are looking so far, but I think I’d better check what the official Neo-Nazi position is on the Broncos performances before I do. I wonder if the neo-Nazis believe that the instant sin-bin for high shots is ruining games regularly, because if so I’d better not say that one, wouldn’t want to be banned for holding a neo-Nazi belief. Which hot chips do the neo-Nazis believe are the best? I’m a red rooster kinda guy, but I don’t want to be a neo-Nazi if that’s what their official position is as well.

Revoking my mod permission over this is beyond an abuse of power. Ban away.

A heckler was. Singular. He wasn’t the only one, and he definitely isn’t the only one who found it incredibly disrespectful and insulting. One person doing X being a Y does not make everyone doing X a Y.

At another Anzac ceremony the self proclaimed “tolerant” people were shouting “free Palestine”. What are your thoughts on that?

Also this “the ABC understands a group of far right were present” thing is just typical media garbage, unverified and put there purely to stoke the outrage flames from their target audience. Also they likely consider anyone who voted “no” to the voice “far right”, so it’s a meaningless biased comment made to get a reaction.

Why do we need to acknowledge the “traditional owners” at every football match or work training seminar exactly? The company I work at spends an insane amount of money paying for AoC/WtC dozens of times per week. It’s beyond ridiculous.

There is no need to ever be welcomed or acknowledge it more than once. It’s turned into a massive financial grift.

And no matter what you say, constantly having to be “welcomed“ to the place that we were born, our parents were born, and their parents were born, absolutely is being treated as if we don’t belong here and need their permission.

Again - what need is there for me to be “welcomed” to the city I was born and grew up in even once a month? Why do I have to regularly acknowledge that people lived here before me? I’m not where I am because of anything they did.

It’s just not necessary in my and many other people’s opinion, especially to do every day or at every single event. It is especially not necessary at an ANZAC ceremony that is about remembering the ultimate sacrifice that those men and women made fighting for this country - our country.

Doing it every day at things like daycare is a whole other issue. While you say it teaches respect, it can be argued that it is furthering racial divide, instilling into people who’s families have lived here for hundreds of years that it’s not their country and that they need to ask for permission to be here.

It’s becoming more and more divisive precisely because it is being pushed and pushed and pushed in ever increasing numbers. Next it’ll have to be performed every morning at every McDonald’s when they open. After the “voice” referendum was voted down in a significant way, it seems the losing side has doubled down on trying to push through their agenda that was clearly not popular, and people are rightly getting fed up.

It’s definitely not misinformation, and Wikipedia is not a source. Try again, this time with an actual argument instead of essentially “nuh uh”.

If you’re going to make claims of “misinformation” you need to elaborate.

The biggest issue with this is that people that think like this tend to throw accusations like “neo-Nazi” out like lollies, at everyone that they disagree with about on certain things that are in no way “nazi-esque”.

Disliking the “welcome to country” does not make you a neo-Nazi. It is a divisive thing. It’s not some centuries old tradition, it was invented by Ernie Dingo in like the 90s. Many, many people think it’s completely pointless and irrelevant, and they’re entitled to that opinion just like you’re entitled to your opinion that it makes them racist. It doesn’t mean you’re automatically right and they’re wrong though.

In this specific situation - welcome to country at an ANZAC day ceremony - it is extremely debatable about its use. The ANZACs, 99% of who were white non-indigenous people, died defending this country. “Welcoming” their relatives to the very country is rightly seen as incredibly disrespectful by many. Without those ANZACs giving their life to defend this country that is being claimed is not theirs, the aboriginals might have been eradicated off the face of the earth.

Saying this is not racist. It’s not “neo-Nazi” views. You claim it is as an excuse to be intolerant towards those people. No matter how you try to sugar coat it, you are being intolerant.

You’re installing an operating system though, that’s irrelevant. You’re telling me the people that want their laptop to come with no OS because they want to install their favourite version of Linux because they’re “l33t haxors” can’t tell the difference between broken hardware and incompatible drivers? And they’re installing Linux? Where drivers are one of the biggest issues?

Why can’t you?

Out of windows and linux, it'd be close to 99%. Linux's desktop OS marketshare is 4% according to a quick google, Windows at ~70%, MacOS at ~26%. Since MacOS isn't an option on these, the choice between Windows and Linux would likely be 96% Windows, 4% Linux.

So sure, I'll admit I got that wrong - not 99%, 96% based on 2025 marketshare.

For someone that wants to install their own OS, it coming with an OS installed by default is 100% irrelevant because you’d be plugging in a bootable drive on first boot up anyway.

If they could ship a computer with the option upon first boot of Windows, Linux, or no OS without having to pay license costs of Windows that would be fine, but that’s not how it works. 99% of people want Windows. Any laptop shipping with no os would just be sent back a few months later after sitting on the shelves for a few months.