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imagine if someone just like started addressing you as Dipshit, like youre just talking about your day & they say "no way Dipshit, that's crazy." and then maybe you say to them that you would prefer not to be addressed as Dipshit & their response is "well in my major metropolitan area 'Dipshit' is not considered an insult. im not saying i think youre stupid when i call you Dipshit, i call my mom dipshit all the time" so you say Thats cool but please dont call Me that. and then they just repeat that it's something they say daily, they call all of their best friends & lovers dipshits & are called dipshit in return. "my grandma calls me dipshit at the dinner table, it doesnt mean anything." so you say Yes i understand that your friends & grandma arent bothered by being called Dipshit but i am, & i would prefer if you didnt address me as that. and they say "it's literally not possible for me to stop calling you dipshit, and it's not reasonable for you to ask me to, dipshit." anyway this post is about nothing in particular

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[–] lemmydripzdotz456@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (14 children)
[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

OP is a native of Albany, NY, where everybody refers to hamburgers as steamed hams, even when it comes to their patented family recipes. This is for when OP must meet with other people who are not familiar with the regional dialect, even those from Utica, and are preparing for an unforgettable luncheon.

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

And they call them steamed hams, despite the fact that they are obviously grilled?

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[–] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 0 points 1 year ago
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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the way i interpreted it is that it's about the "but dude/man/bro is gender neutral!" thing, when someone expresses that they don't like being referred to using masculine terms

[–] TTH4P@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do actually call my mom bro, but if like, a friend or coworker said "don't call me that" I just wouldn't do it.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I definitely see those as contextually non-gendered, but the moment someone asks me not to call them a certain thing.... I just don't call them that again, and apologize if I do. It takes almost 0 effort to use a different word.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I call my husband bro, and while he is a dude, he’s definitely not my brother (also he calls me bro and I’m a woman ish).

But yeah, talking to people in a way they dislike is making the world unhappier for no reason.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bro is harder to argue for sure.

And man, unless it's more, "oh man, that's rough" as an excalamatory rather than "good to see you man" is still gendered.

But dude has never been gendered. It was mostly used by guys towards guys, but the origins of that usage (rather than dude ranches or the derogatory term related to that) it was applied to everyone. Dudette came along later but was essentially created because the usage was male dominated, not because dude was gendered. It's one of the rare gender neutral, inclusive slang terms. So much so that when dudette was thrown around, it got rejected as unnecessary, and was sometimes taken offensively. Same with dudina and dudess.

Mind you, the era where it was mostly an underground slang used in African American circles is murkier, since it was underground, less written at the time, and after it got "borrowed" by white kids lost its popularity there.

But when surfer culture picked it up, and it spread via movies, female surfers were called dude, and used it the same way as female surfers. They were just such a minority that the association didn't stick in pop culture because what got seen was Spicoli, and the association with it as being used by guys about guys got absorbed as the primary usage.

There was no gender division in that origin, nor was there a need for it. There simply wasn't a female specific alternative to dude.

Since it is still used inclusively far more than it isn't, it's usually better to assume the best rather than the worst. Someone duding someone in a casual and friendly way is unlikely to be using it as a gendered term. It's more like buddy, or pal, or even mate than something like bro that started gendered and is still predominantly used that way.

[–] salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that your intentions are good, but you're missing the point. If someone doesn't like what you're calling them, just don't call them that. I don't think if someone was called dude and didn't like it, that they would assume the worst, they would just ask you to please not call them that.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, I probably should have specified I was going on a tangent rather than commenting on the post directly. Gonna edit that in. Thank you :)

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah, dude doesn't really bother me, but the others, as well as "guys," do. Bro has a natural feminine version: "sis." So does man: "woman" or "girl." Likewise for guys: "gals" or "girls." Making them gender neutral just causes confusion IMO, we should instead just use different terms w/o any gender association, such as "fellow," "friend," "home slice/skillet" (the 90s kid in me really wants that to come back), or the others you mentioned.

But yeah, dude is totally fine as a gender-neutral term due to surfer culture taking it over. But the others are a lot harder sell for me.

But yes, be excellent to each other. If your female friend wants to be called "bro," go nuts.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to poke, but the other day at work I walked up to a group of women and just casually said, "hey guys" without even thinking about it. The reaction was absent. It was just a simple response back, "hey how's it going?"

After I said it, I was like in my own head, "huh, that was odd."

Yeah, it's more acceptable these days among younger women (i.e. a recent grad at my work says "hey guys" all the time), but not as much with older women. So maybe it'll eventually be fine for pretty much everyone, but for now, I think it's still weird, and I'm a little sad that it's being repurposed (i.e. "going out w/ the guys" isn't as clear any more).

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry for the mostly tangent, but I guess I’m also more sensitive about terms than I realized.

My sister got married after dating her husband for about six months. On the day of the wedding, my new BIL started calling me “sis” even though it was the third time we’d met.

I actually like him quite a lot now and I’m very glad that they’re married, but woof did that rub me the wrong way. I don’t think anyone has ever called me sis before or since with the exception of drunk women in the bathroom (and I have, all told, eight siblings, step siblings, and siblings in law).

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

I'd really like to find a nice, neutral term for referring to people myself, but I haven't yet found something that feels right for me yet. I've never said fellows, since I seem to lean back towards 'fellas', which kind of remakes the issue at hand.

And as cool as homeslice or skillet are, I'm not sure those are quite 'me' lol. Guess there's only one way to find out.

See ya, homedawg.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago
  • Slurs in general
  • Misgendering
[–] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

I had assumed this was referring to the case years back of Elon Musk calling a British guy that was trying to help rescue some children from a submerged cave in the Philippines a "pedo".

He was naturally sued about it but somehow avoided rightful punishment by claiming that he didn't mean literally and it was a phrase used all the time in South Africa.

Twat waffle is a phrase we use all the time in my country. We use it whenever Elon is mentioned.

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[–] NeonNight@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I’m personally kind of reminded of how “faggot” and “dyke” are being “taken back” and used jokingly/sarcastically, but I still get really uncomfortable if someone uses them with me. They’ll say “oh I don’t mean it offensively!” But it’s not really up to you to decide what’s offending another person or not.

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[–] CloudheartTV@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

I thought this was a post about the overuse of “dude”

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I've had people say "you" is a slur.

Fuck off.

I could make a more detailed argument, but no. I should not need to.

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[–] DefinitelyNotAnAlien@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It’s like when I lived in Miami and everyone called me “gringo” or “flaco.” When I asked them to stop they would say it was endearing. But imagine if I called them “removed” or “fatty” what their reaction would be.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

We started calling my wife's narcissistic psychopathic Russian ex dipshit because we got tired of having to use his name. Now I barely remember his name, it's just dip shit

Then one day she got tired of his crap, beat the shit out of him, so now we just call him dip

[–] lulztard@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Imagine one would genuinely not care about being called dipshit under the given circumstances. Context and intent are more important than the choice of words. I can't call something retarded, but I can call it demented. Crazy is fine, slow isn't. If it were about people and slurs, both words would be banned, but only one is, leaving the feeling of oppression under the banner of Good rather than it being actually about change for the better.

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

"Could you call me something else, other than Dipshit?"
"Like what?"
"How about sunrise land?"

[–] Trashcan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I understand the desire to have people use your pronouns, and as long as one can see what gender you are "presenting", one should use those pronouns.

If someone prefers other pronouns, then I'm sorry... Many people (me included) have a hard time remembering names... I wouldn't have a chance remembering a large set of different pronouns if I can't even remember the names of that person. A pronoun is a non specific way of addressing someone and a break life saver like "you"...

To to switch to an all inclusive them/they for everybody seems overreaching.

If it's not obvious what pronouns someone prefers, then they shouldn't be annoyed if someone makes repeatedly mistakes.

And this makes it hard to distinguish a mistake from an insult...

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem isn't someone getting a pronoun wrong on occasion. It's when someone deliberately uses the wrong one, and often times stresses the the pronunciation, in order to make sure you know they choose to use the wrong one deliberately.

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You can call me a dumbass all you want, it's part of the reason I chose this name, besides being a dumbass.

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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (20 children)

I think both is problematic.

If you know that dipshit is not meant in a harmful way by the other person, then why do you care being called it?

Same on the other side, if you know the other person wouldn't like to be called dipshit, why would you call them that?

I really think they both have problems that they need to address within themselves.

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Generally being nice to other people is a good thing. It makes the world a nicer place for everyone. And in cases like this, it seems like it is pretty easy to be nice - just don't call that person 'dipshit'. That just seems like a very low-cost way to show the person that you respect them.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I mean just get over yourself right. Forcing someone to change their authentic self because it makes you uncomfortable seems antithetical to the trans experience.

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I'd posit that a core part of the trans experience is being able to have authority over how you wish to be refered to, actually.

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this case their authentic self is an asshole, so asking them to not be an asshole just makes the world a better place. Its the same as saying that they have to tolerate the intolerance of the other person. Intolerance never has to be tolerated and should be actively pushed back on.

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