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Apparently "nationalism is bad" is an uncivil take. Unless there's another reason someone would ban this comment... 🤔

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I dated a Chinese student at university. She seemed alright until somehow the topic of Tibet came up, and then she went full tankie describing how the Tibetan people were nearly subhuman, living terrible lives with no ability to care for themselves.

I've heard people say similar shit about indigenous Americans and yeah I think it's safe to say that you cannot understate the dangers of propaganda and nationalism.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ain't no racism like Asian racism. I lived with a Chinese buddy of mine for almost 10 years. He said American racism has nothing on Asian racism. Some of the Chinese and Japanese people legitimately despise each other. Long history of atrocities between them.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well you've never asked a European about gypsies.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

My extended family is German and British. I am well aware how the gypsies are thought of by many over there.

I have lost track of how many times I have brought up gypsies when they are taking about how racist Americans are and then suddenly "it's different". They literally don't even look at it the same way. That's some wild shit.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That long history can be found in a lot of places with "zero" racism, like.. look at all of Europe, everyone at war all the time.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is always funny when other places shit on America for our history of slavery. Like Koreans for example. They had the longest unbroken chain of slavery of any modern society and yet you'll still have some of them trying to say Americans are the worst because of our history of slavery.

It's like... All places in the world had (or still have) slavery going on. Why does the Internet seem to think we were the worst offenders???

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It’s like… All places in the world had (or still have) slavery going on. Why does the Internet seem to think we were the worst offenders???

tbf, there are only a handful of systems of slavery that were worse than Southern US and Caribbean slavery as-introduced-by-the-triangle-trade. We were running one of the worst variations of what was already one of mankind's worst systems ever devised.

But yeah, people often aren't looking at that so much as "I know about American slavery and not slavery in my own country"

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh man, Asians hate so many other Asians so ferverently it's impressive. I knew a Japanese girl whose mom threatened to disown her if she dated any "Chinese hell bastards" (which was in fact, every Chinese person.)

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

American nationalism is bad because it's an empire. That take is allowed.

Chinese nationalism, however, is good because it's also an empire.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahhh. The vague and often confusingly unexplainable “Rule 1” violation on .ml that all the minions residing there always seem to find a way to pretend doesn’t exist when their beloved shithole of an instance’s strapped down oppressive bias is under attack.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got mine yesterday too!

I mentioned bending over for dictators and they claimed it's implied homophobia. Before getting banned, I asked if we're back to assuming everyone on the Internet is male and got replied "oh look, I'm not a bigot, it's implied misogyny not implied homophobia"...

The expression isn't about any specific gender or sexuality, it's about the power dynamic... It's about the fact that people will do anything to please their masters.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's implied misogyny

Are strap-ons not a thing in their echo chambered world? It sounds like they have no problem with kink shaming.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it could easily just be female on male too lmao

Don't tempt me with a good time.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah yes good ol Rule 1 "Bigotry" the classic .ml go-to

Whenever you bring up the bans though the more prominent .ml users will proclaim that people mostly get banned for "bigotry" on .ml and there's definitely no problem with opposing viewpoints.

This is the "bigotry" they speak of

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[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I got banned for saying China and the DPRK are oppressive regimes and that Ukraine has a right to exist because I violated “rule 1”. The irony lmao

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The brainwashed ideologies in Chinese Students

sigh

During the first year of the Korean War, Edward Hunter, an American journalist who had worked in wartime intelligence, and post-war with the CIA, coined (or, more accurately, first popularised) the term brainwashing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hunter_(journalist)#Journalism

In March 1958, Hunter testified before the US House of Representatives' House Committee on Un-American Activities. He described the US and NATO as losing the Cold War because of the communists' advantage in propaganda and psychological manipulation. He felt that the West lost the Korean War for being unwilling to use its advantage in atomic weapons

It's a bit funny to hear people use the term without recognizing it's tortured and sensationalist history. "We've been tricked into not kicking off a nuclear war" isn't what most people think of when they hear "brainwashing". But during the height of the Red Scare, that's what Goldwater conservatives and John Bircher reactionaries were arguing for.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brainwashed is the appropriate term to describe nationalistic ideology, yes

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

No no, nationalism is freethinking because [checks notes] an American in the Cold War was a lunatic.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

That's very interesting, and I genuinely do appreciate the history lesson, but what exactly are you trying to communicate? That brainwashing is only possible in North America because that's the population it was coined for? That the act only constitutes brainwashing if it's coupled with calls for violence? That brainwashing is a strictly government term and using it colloquially has no meaning? That I should fully detail every term with a unique historical significant etymology?

There's a lot of weird insinuations and half takes that don't add up to a complete idea in this post.