A NATO defeat is an unquestionably a good thing overall. It's also worth noting that Russia is a far better actor geopolitically than the west. Russia is helping liberation forces in Africa, they're supporting China, and are generally aligned with the global south. This is why Russia deserves critical support right now. We can acknowledge the internal contradictions born out of capitalism in Russia, while also acknowledging that Russia winning the war will lead to a positive change in the world.

[+] Kawasaki@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine allowed itself to be used as a NATO proxy and the people of Ukraine are now paying the price for that. People of Ukraine allowed the west to overthrow their legitimate government and to install a fascist regime in its place.

The destiny of Ukraine is to serve as a warning for others going forward. It's important to clarify that NATO never had any intent to defend Ukraine. NATO used the people of Ukraine to fight Russia as a proxy.

It's also important to note that Ukraine was already in a civil war before Russia intervened. This lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 is an excellent primer on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

here’s how the election in 2004 went:

this is the 2010 election:

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

The most likely outcome of the war is that Russia is going to absorb Russian majority parts of Ukraine that either actively wish to be part of Russia, or are neutral. Meanwhile, western Ukraine will be left as a problem for Europe to deal with.

NATO defeat that helpes an enemy of the West is the next best thing. Is that correct?

As I noted earlier, it's not simply that Russia is an enemy of the west, but also that it's currently aligned with the global majority and unlike the west it is not hostile towards socialist states. I also think that both military defeat against Russia and economic defeat in the trade war with China will play a significant role in discrediting neoliberalism within the west. This will create opportunities for new ideas to emerge which is essential for any sort of a socialist movement in the west. I wrote about this dynamic here in more detail.

https://dialecticaldispatches.substack.com/p/the-stress-test-liberalism-never

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Despite Western claims, Russia is not prosecuting this war in the name of imperialism nor revanchism. You could say that irredentism was a factor, but only insomuch as ethnic Russians inhabit eastern & southern Ukraine and had been suffering persecution by US/Ukraine-backed fascists. The major factor was US/NATO expansion. Previously.

[–] Conselheiro@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I'm of the opinion that the continual and prolonged defeat of NATO against Russia is much better for the international proletariat than a proper "defeat" and withdrawal. It's better for their resources to be bogged down in Ukraine for another decade like it's their own Afghanistan than diverted into more winnable wars.

[–] rpa@europe.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reading the article, seems a lot like misinformation. Down voted.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it wasnt written by a nazi, so of course people from your instance dont like it

[–] rpa@europe.pub 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If that's the only way you can comment this, says much how low you are. I'm no nazi, quite the contrary. And misinformation has to be fought. On both sides. You wouldn't know a nazi if one was right in front of you.

At this moment much that comes from US based sources isn't reliable, specially with Trump in power who is a crony for Putin.

This war shouldn't have started at all and it is all Putin's fault. Best way to "win" the war? Russia retreat and give back the territories. Too many have already died in this stupidity, on all sides.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

you're on an instance that just recently made a nazi a moderator of at least one of your communities, and you're apparently fine with it. nazi bar.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Both sides? What are the sides, and more importantly, which side are you on?