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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 97 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

This whole situation reminds me of people's distrust for Big Pharma. Forgetting the actual problem and just assuming everything it produces is evil and will kill you. The problem with big pharma isn't that modern medicine doesn't work, it's that pharmaceutical companies charge so much for it that poor people are condemned to die preventable deaths in the name of profit.

The problem with AI isn't that it can't produce good code, it's that it's capable of producing a shitload of bad code at volumes no human can possibly review. It doesn't surprise me at all that the guy who made Linux can wrangle an AI to produce exceptionally good outcomes. The problem is that there's a million Joe Normals who are gonna try to replicate it with no idea how to audit the output.

[–] Toga77@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Fair enough!

I've been vocally against Linus AI advocacy, but I do understand all the points you make here.

I don't like that a lot of stupid people will take Torvalds use and embrace of AI as gospel that AI is some be all end all.

I also LOATH that he is indirectly benefitting fascist corporations that committed the largest theft in human history.

But the code is good 🤷‍♂️

To say I am conflicted, is an understatement.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago

Plus all the employees who've been forced to produce and sift through that garbage code, because their bosses bought into the hype and don't see the software for what it actually is.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Isn't the AI problem the vast amount of resources needed to produce code?

[–] AAA@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago

That as well

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[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I'd like to steal this comment for my Detailed And Nuanced Opinions On AI.

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[–] keisatsu@infosec.pub 151 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

and in the process he introduced a race condition, a performance regression costing up to 9% when making reads of files around 1 MiB and dumped the responsibility of fixing his mess on co-maintainers and went on vacation.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 128 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Yeah but it sounds like three steps forward half a step back. Also, reviews/testing caught it. Sounds like the system is working. I’ve written quite a few race condition bugs in my 25 year career. That nobody caught until weeks in prod.

I understand the reluctance of AI but there’s no denying that AI in capable hands can be useful.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 77 points 5 days ago (4 children)

In capable hands. Is the real issue. Too many people believe they are capable hands.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 5 days ago

Capable hands are going to quickly diminish as people grow up around vibe coding.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 17 points 5 days ago (4 children)

That's not a new issue.

The absolute slop I've seen people hand write long before AI is actually impressive.

AI is just a force multiplier

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[–] keisatsu@infosec.pub 37 points 5 days ago (21 children)

if Linus, who has worked with the language AND the project for decades, can't find a race condition and a performance regression in his VERY FIRST LLM-assisted commit, then just maybe we should accept that humans are fucking horrible att catching the mistakes that clankers make and stop deluding us into thinking that this is the future of software engineering.

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[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Isnt that because of a bug in f2fs, and not his kernel patch?

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[–] joey_builds@eviltoast.org 90 points 5 days ago (17 children)

What gets me is that this is roughly the best-case scenario for "capable hands" — Linus knows this codebase better than anyone alive — and a race condition plus a 9% read regression still slipped through on the first attempt. Reviews and testing caught it, which is the system working, but it moves the bottleneck from writing code to reviewing it. And review doesn't scale the way generation does; skimming a patch is quick, but actually proving an LLM-assisted one is correct takes real effort. I say that as someone who uses AI tooling daily — reading code you didn't write is genuinely more tiring than writing it, and that tax compounds the more you lean on generation. The maintainer-burnout angle might end up being the real story here, more than the AI one.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

reading code you didn't write is genuinely more tiring than writing it

What I keep saying. Good take except that you don't use "AI" tooling, you use copyright evasion slop tooling.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It’s funny how the “AI-assisted” in the headline turns into an “LLM-assisted” in the article.

The graphic with the magic “AI” hand is even funnier.

Clown “AI” journalism.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 75 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Assuming these updates are fully tested before they're deployed, by a human, it shouldn't be that impactful negatively that AI is being used. The problem comes when updates are moved into production without human oversight.

But it gives me the heebie jeebies, since AI is known to make and fuck shit up, and I'm stuck using MS Teams every day in my job so I see all the weird shit that vibe coding produces. I don't relish the thought of weird, stupid shit happening to my Linux installation.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 44 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Plus studies on skill decay when using AI. Also the linux maintainer onboarding pipeline—which was already critically endangered—is now no longer building understanding through writing code, just monitoring it's generation.

I personally think you need to write a language by hand without AI doing it for you to learn in detail. It's like trying to learn how to do math or how to write mandarin by just supervising an AI doing it... you need to do it yourself. Supervising is fine if you're already fluent in mandarin and have been writing it for years and years. If you're just learning it's less than useless. If anything its directly harmful to learning.

Same with speaking a language yourself without crutching your native language as the best method to learn to speak it (immersion)

Edit: The long term externalities of AI—like pretty much everything nowadays—is going to be made worse by short term thinking. Quarterly profits and yearly results take precedence over long term skill development. Even OSS like linux will eat its seed corn out of expediency because of a lack of maintainers and new candidates being onboarded into the ivory tower mailing lists...

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[–] pageflight@piefed.social 32 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Human review of AI is sufficient in theory, but in practice it's never as thorough as the understanding you get writing it yourself. It's hard to avoid AI, but it is a constant invitation to laziness.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 18 points 5 days ago (19 children)

Unlike reviewing a human who writes code there is zero chance of AI learning from the past and making fewer mistakes in the future. At a least a human has a chance of becoming better at coding from review feedback.

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[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 22 points 5 days ago (5 children)

One thing I'm noticing about AI code is it's very, very task oriented. Like it will produce code, that works for the one objective, but absolutely will not account for other interactions with other parts of the system. It's really bad at juggling multiple priorities so for every solution it creates, it causes another 2 problems with other parts of the stack. Human coders would design a solution that takes those interactions into account from the ground up. With an AI solution, you kind of have to rebuild those interactions as an afterthought, which is where a lot of failures occur. Since interaction of multiple subsystems is kind of the whole point of a kernel... I have concerns.

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[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 56 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The directive isn't pro AI. It is pro results. It emphasized responsibility.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Schemen110676@lemmy.ml 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It allows AI.. nothing more.

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[–] NightShot@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Fucking tragic...

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I started using Linux about 30 years ago. I wasn't a science major, but reading about the GPL and the GNU movement, it seemed to fit really well with my values. I was willing to put up with a lot (the first distro I used didn't come with a working XFree), but it was worth it, to me. I never really sat well having Linus at the head. He just seemed like a bit of a prat most of the time, but whatever. Then I got nnoyed enough that I spent a year or two going through alternatives. I had used BeOS before I found Linux, but at the time BeOS had gone away and Haiku didn't exist. Plan9 had a lot of cool things, but wasn't a daily driver. Spent time mostly with FreeBSD, but after being a GPL fan, the BSD licensing just kind of annoyed me. Lately I've been finding myself feeling the same way I felt about the BSD world. It would be nice to get away from Linux and Linus, but at this point I'm much older, less willing to jump through hoops to get shit working. I'm hoping some kernel alternative comes along that ticks the boxes for me. Maybe Hurd will get there (ha!). I sure wish something would come along. Although, like worrying about the climate, or US politics, the momentum towards comprehensive social shittery just feel completely inevitable and I should try not to worry about it. I guess.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 days ago

Pa.

Ra.

Graphs.

[–] RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

OpenBSD is great, Linus seems to be in the early stages of AI psychosis so now's a god time to jump ship.

I don't say that lightly either. The most recent debate about whether LLMs should be allowed to write the commit messages in the mailing list implies to me he's losing the plot. People attached to these things will get very defensive of them even in situations that seem antisocial (should the LLMs be allowed to write emails and commit messages for instance).

Sad to see it happen but best to spend our efforts elsewhere.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well no editorilorizing in that title. no sir. /s is this the change that also have produced articles that stress kinda the opposite.

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