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If they truly care about voter fraud, they should override Trump and ensure external election observers are present at all polling stations and throughout the counting.
If they truly want martial law until the election is confirmed, to ensure the election wasn't 'rigged', they should invite a UN peace keeping force to administer it.
But, somehow, I suspect their motivations aren't based on any concern for legality, justice or democracy.
They should just skip the whole walk around the park and just give their supporters brown shirts, arm bands and some kind of blunt force weapon (with no restrictions) ... and to keep them motivated in the evenings, get them to parade around with torches at night
This is Steve Bannon calling for it. He's a true fascist through and through. He's also a criminal
Of everyone in this administration, he is most likely to go to prison after Trump's term. He deserves it, and he's an easy target for the admin to scapegoat for everything
It’s very telling they they say if “he” loses the midterms. HE is not running. But they all know what it means. If THEY lose, he’s either being put IN a prison or UNDER one.
Fingers crossed it’s the latter.
His first term was much like this one. Not quite as bold in the corruption category but still similar. Biden had four years to do something, anything, about it and decided not to. Despite the fact they obviously should, they're not putting Trump in prison this time either.
They'll wait until Vance can run for 2 terms, but they're definitely going to kill him.
Considering how easy Trump is to manipulate, there is no point in killing him, when time will do it. The focus of each oligarch would be on getting Trump to anoint their favored successor puppet.
So you will have Vought, Thiel, Elon, Bezos, Miller, and so on vying for Trump's ear on the matter.
Trump isn’t running in the midterms; he’s supposed to not have a horse in the race.
Congress though? THEY could lose the midterms. Congess isn’t supposed to be a bunch of presidential yes men. Trump isn’t supposed to be the party leader.
"Supposed to" is how the US got into this mess in the first place. He and the GOP have broken so many norms that it doesn't apply anymore.
This whole thing smells like a long running plot leading to a coup. A whole bunch of rich conservative men are seeking to overthrow the US constitution and take the reigns themselves via proxies. All this is supported by Russia and China and anyone else that wants a bigger share of the world for themselves.
They watched (didn't read) the handmaids tales, and thought what a great idea
It's become a meme to ask Americans at what point they will use their supposed 2nd amendment rights to start shooting at magas. And it has become similarly a bit of a meme to laugh at the ignorant non-americans for suggesting it.
But let's be real. When the magas are threatening to abolish your democracy, you yanks need to make a counter-threat of violence to keep it. It doesn't even need to be "serious". That drunk "we have guns too" lady is actually a fantastic start. But it needs to be followed up by more senior Democrats and I'm not talking about chuck schumer, just someone above "drunk candidate in Fayette county". Someone needs to say that if the Republicans enact martial law there will be blood. Say it jokingly. Say it in wacky wink wink way. But fucking say it. Get your wackiest weirdo politician to actually put the gun on the table.
If you don't, then at some point it becomes a matter whether you actually care about your democracy. Like, fuck, maybe you don't.
If actual political office-holders were saying this, opposing office-holders should certainly respond. No need for office-holders to respond to every looney spouting nonsense on a street corner.
These people are literally American Nazis.
Nazis actually took a lot of cues from us. Especially our treatment of Native Americans, African slaves, eugenics.
Feds are already crawling all over the place, no more free press, supreme court is pocketed, congress has fucked off.
What would martial law do? Make a cerfuw or something?
Excuse to clean up
And to be clear for those that don't know already, that means us. We will be cleand up. All of us. Pretty much anyone to the left of Chuck Shumer will be at risk. Got a passport?
And this at a time where neither Congress nor the Supreme Court seem willing to provide checks and balances on the executive.
The checks they cashed in and now giddily look at their account balances.
If they declare martial law I think we should all go outside and violate it in overwhelming numbers.
The best action to take is everyone in unison not go to work. The wealthy NEED you more than you need them.
Better just do a general strike, if everyone (not realistic but a good chunk) stopped doing their thing it'd make those in charge get it. I don't meant the Trump administration, whoever is really in charge and giving orders. Like anyone in the administration besides heritage foundation and project 2025 writer (to be fair not sole author) Russel Vought, he may have some real pull for sure.
To those that didn't see that coming, I'm sorry. To those that did, I know you have the supplies to ride the storm, and I'll see you on the other end of this. Hopefully it's over reasonably soon and we can rebuild better.
Traitors.
Last time Martial Law was declared across the entirety of the US was 1862, when Lincoln enacted it, but applied it to specified categories of people (rebels, and those aiding them). But this is straight up Nazi shit.
Who oversees the National Guard if (when) they declare the Democrats cheated (because that will be the orders they'll be given, in no uncertain terms, on the quiet)?
Trump is no doubt sprouting a chubby little mushroom stalk at the idea.
What legal preventatives are available for the Democrats to stop this shitfuckery before it starts? It's a grey area whether or not Trump needs Congress or the Senate's approval to enact Martial Law, but it's not really been taken to court, AFAIK, to test. Plus, he ignores them as if he's forgotten they exist, anyway, pulling Executive Orders out of his arse as if they were on a roll of toilet paper he lost up there during a particularly energetic 'Truth' Social rant.
Australian here, BTW. So there's a lot I don't know about US politics. But I do know Martial Law wouldn't be good for free and open elections.
What is declaring martial law going to actually do? All it means is the military can legally perform police actions
We already have brown shirts running around, and our military has been maliciously complying with orders intended to terrify the public since Trump returned to office. The funniest part was watching them resist the urge to march during his little parade, you could see their steps start to naturally sync before they went back to walking
Trump can declare martial law if he wants to, but there's a reason he hasn't so far. And it's not because of his good nature, it's because threatening it makes him feel strong but actually doing it is going to make him look weak
Also just to add onto the military thing specifically, logistics are a bitch and I'm pretty sure even if the entire military was mobilized from the paper pushers to the specialists to the grunts they wouldn't have enough manpower to occupy LA alone. The logistics wouldve had to be set up months ago so even if they do there's a solid chance they run out of fuel or food and end up buming around some random town that they aren't sent to.
The real risk isn't martial law itself, it's elected representatives getting killed or something similar. Though honestly speaking that also could trigger a succession crises or otherwise result in de facto loss of federal authority within some states.
There is literally no constitutional or legal provision for a president to declare martial law.
All a president has is the Insurrection Act, and I would be shocked if it were not struck down almost immediately if invoked because people were actively voting or an election was lost.
Oh thank God! I rest easy knowing that it is not legal for the president to declare martial law. The law being reliably enforced, and the president being law-abiding, as things currently are. /s
SCROTUS will allow it on loose pretenses. They'll say that immigration is equivalent to war time espionage or something
And since that's absolute bullshit, we can expect our police and maybe even the military to step up and do the right thing, yeah? They'll be on our side, right???
I am pushing for him to spend the next two years being impeached.
Those allies should be put on The List for arrest, investigation and imprisonment.
Second amendment cucks are so hard rn
Unpaywalled: https://archive.is/q6wUt
That site serves malware
I've heard this, but it loads completely fine, with no-script and no exceptions.
Is it just the capcha that does it?
No. The “service” alters pages (so not much of an archive) to include code that launches a DDoS attack against a blogger. As such it has been banned from Wikipedia.
Ok, I thought it was just the capcha. I knew about the blogger tho.
Thanks Internet friend.