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Majority of Democratic Voters Want to Prosecute Both Biden and Trump Administration Officials Over Gaza (www.commondreams.org)
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[–] Smeagol666@crazypeople.online 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One thing that really got my goat was when Jose Andres got a medal from Biden basically to shut him up. To me it seemed like such a betrayal of those World Central Kitchen workers who were deliberately targeted and murdered by the IDF. He should have told Biden to stick that fucking medal up his ass.

Of course now, living in Trumpistan in 2026, those crimes pale in comparison to murdering a whole fucking school full of grade school aged girls.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm all for it. Seriously.

Considering the dialogue happening in many threads, I think it's important to remember that Democrats and Republicans are still not the same. This is an example of an issue where many Democrats are failing us, yes. Just don't expand that into "bOtH sIdEs" when that's not true.

But hells yes. We need to prosecute criminals, and we need to throw out establishment Democrats and get real progressives running and winning. Always support the best candidate running (before/in the primaries, and then whoever makes it to the general).

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Same. Prosecute and punish. They criminally abused their power and clearly and obviously used it for mass-murder. Nuremberg showed us exactly what needs to happen here. Party doesnt matter in this case.

The way to get out of this is to NOT ever again elect another zionism supporter to the president or congress. Unless we do that we will stay captured by their cabal and we'll keep killing. That means most of the mainstream Dems and all the mainstream republicans cant be elected.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That means most of the mainstream Dems and all the mainstream republicans cant be elected.

While you are correct, the problem is that when it comes down to the general election and the choice is a fascist Republican or a Democrat who is an Israel supporter, then there's no difference between them on that front - but there are still differences on other issues, so it's still important to get out and vote against fascism, even though it sucks.

Also, in my humble opinion, Israel is more a symptom of the problem of corruption; it's certainly hardly the only source. Our oligarchs in general are the worst cause, but foreign influence is also not great, and Israel does have deep claws in there, for sure.

But it just points back to the reality: Getting involved well before the general; well before the primary, to lend support to progressive candidates who are NOT beholden to the oligarchs or foreign influences and corruption.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I agree 95%, but I do wonder if acting in this way will just lead us to the same sort of astroterfed elections from here on out. We seemed to have a government thats captured in a permanenet, systematic way now. When will zionist dominance over our political landscape ever be lifted?

So I think we have to think past short term results.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Nothing prevents you from supporting better candidates. But you should always support a better (or less shitty) candidate in a primary/election where possible.

Canvas for the politician you prefer before the primary, then vote for them if they make it into the primary. If they or whatever other candidate you like less makes it into the general, voting for them is still better than voting for the party running a candidate that would be worse.

Meanwhile, doing the above does not prevent anyone from trying to organize protests to throw out the system and replace with a new one, or support an alternate party, although the tipping point for where it makes sense to vote for a third party is difficult, because any time people vote enough for a third party such that the less-evil party also loses, everyone loses.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

One day, everyone will have always been against this.

It's a double pointed quote. The first point is that we should be accepting of the masses that have heard our message of truth through the noise of the louder false narrative. The ed Sheeran backlash really was the first major major shift Ive seen in this. I was so use to the "this guy that said 'free Palestine' got silenced again" that is was so weird to keep hearing about it the next day. That others stood up in solidarity. It was such a shift from what I've seen since 2023. I almost didn't know how to react to it.

The second point is that we should not allow those that had direct support of this genocide to pretend that they were against it from the start. The Kamala's, the New York times, the liberal Zionist that spent the whole time screaming "both sides" and "Hamas run health ministry". They need to be held to account.

And finally, we are not there yet. We are at the "it's unpopular to support the genocide" stage. We have conquer the messaging and the narratives of those that committed this genocide. But, until we have an actual material impact that allows the children of Gaza a life of dignity and prosperity, we have done nothing yet.

Take this as an inspiration to join the right side of history and work towards the material changes that do actually matter. Because a canceled concert or a poll like the OP isn't a material victory. It is a symbolic victory. Let that symbolism carry us further in our resistance.

Let that let us welcome those that were decived and have learned from our words. While not forgetting that the criminals, perpetrators, and talking heads (media) that allowed this genocide should be offered no leniency.

We must not confuse these two groups from one another. It is vital to reaching material changes and justice for Gaza and all of Palestine from the river to the sea.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

The second point is that we should not allow those that had direct support of this genocide to pretend that they were against it from the start.

I don't think that's the meaning of the quote... Kind of the opposite, really

It means the tides will shift, and suddenly it will be socially unacceptable to harass mixed race couples. The people who would have thrown rocks at them decades before will be inviting them over for dinner and cooing over pictures of their grandchildren

It'll be a faux pas to bring up this change, even

There is no justice for a genocide. There's no way to even the scales, and people are almost never punished for going along with the group consensus

At best, the killing will stop and a handful of leaders directly responsible will be held to account. Maybe some examples will be made of a few IDF soldiers. Maybe international peacekeepers will be installed in Gaza and the West Bank, there's a small chance Palestine is granted statehood due to overwhelming international pressure

Maybe, maybe, there will be a congressional inquiry into the part arms manufacturers played here, but nothing will come of it. No one is going to go after Biden or Congress members over their role... They'll just have always been against it secretly, and everyone will ignore their voting records

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Majority of Democratic Voters Hold Favorable Views of Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom" is a headline you won't read on commondreams.org about the same poll.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would they put that headline have you seen this shit Gavin has passed lately? He is not a friend of the people.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago

Right. Why would they report any parts of the poll not favorable to their narrative? They aren't journalists.

[–] Yewb@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lets get everyone in court if they are innocent whats the big deal 🤪

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure if you cry a lot and say "it's a witch-hunt" they just let you go

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Ok, but we gotta get these Project 2025 goons out of powerful positions. After that, you can have all the ex-presidents you want. In fact, we'll cut you a deal: arrest one president, get 5 billionaires for free.