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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

A lot of the commenters seem like they would have denounced the french resistance as being terrorists.

I don't think people really understand why "terrorism" and guerilla tactics happen - they come about when there's massive power imbalances.

No government is perfect, leadership and political factionalism gets particularly bad during war, as do the various inhumanities and war crimes. Usually in the hands of the greater power dehumanization is involved in the desire to exterminate, in the lesser power a seething revenge and fearless demand for the right to life to the point of wanting to exterminate the enemy totally.

It is very much true that "one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist"....

...but in the end we have humans killing humans, and that's the real problem. A problem which is currently serving the US military industrial complex which Israel is contractualy obliged to preference, and much of the US funding for Israel is spent back into that industry.

The war pigs get fat on human blood, and they don't really care whose it is, as long as there's a lot of it. Meanwhile Israel can be seen as aligning with US geopolitical interests, seeking the destabilization of Russias allies and perhaps even annexing oil resources. This is modern rationale for mass killings and war.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I just don't wanna hear it from you Westerners. You guys murdered half my people and suddenly you play the moral paragons

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 2 points 2 weeks ago

I don't even pay taxes. I did not do shit nor do I condone it.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Who's your people?

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The French Revolution? The system where everyone even slightly suspected of not being loyal to the resistance was executed summarily for spectacle, up to and including its own leader? That's the thing you're going to put your name on and say "if people really cared about freedom, they'd support this"?

Can somebody please remind me why I still use Lemmy?

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago

Think you're confusing the French Revolution (violent uprising of the French against their aristocratic rulers during the Enlightenment) with the French Resistance (Underground movement during WW2 that resisted Nazi occupation)

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This AI better deliver, because humans have clearly had their time!

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not the first time I've been accused of being an AI. People today seem to think that if you can write a few paragraphs of coherent thought, you must be an AI.

Nope, some people just have more to say, and adequate writing skills.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just love Americans suddenly moralizing to everyone about war lol

Americans will murder half a country, move on to the next one without so much as an apology, then have the gal to tell the rest of the world what's unjust and what war we should be outraged about

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love how non-Americans trash our MIC until some big bad shows up like Russia or China. When it’s their countrymen, fathers, brothers, sons and daughters who will be fighting bleeding and dying suddenly we become pretty popular…

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol pls save us daddy white man

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No problem, been doing it since we introduced the world to indoor plumbing, penicillin, electricity and space travel.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My Aztec ancestors had indoor plumbing when yours were throwing piss on the streets lol

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shame they never leveled up the tech tree farther than that. It only took a handful of drunk conquistadors to wipe out the Aztec empire.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's called History. Give it a try. Having a crazy amount of weapons did and didn't help you before, so it won't always give you the edge. History, though, always helps. By the way, this country is still called Mexico, which is a Nahuatl name, Nahuatl is also called "Mexicano", which was the language most people talked before the "drunk conquistadores" came to this land. Maybe we Mexicans did level up the tech after all, it just looks like that for a childish country mentality.

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 weeks ago

I will say the Aztecs got fucked partially because they abused the shit out of their neighbors who leapt at the chance for revenge.

Nobody knew disease existed or what an immune system was.

I'm also not Spanish or European or Italian so I don't actually have skin in that game.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I mean your tequila, laΒ cocaΓ­na and siesta tech is pretty dope.

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As someone who has a very walled off opinion on this stuff, I’d say we name the whole Gaza-Israel thing WARioland and wall it off. Maybe put a glass globe over it and podcast it. We could then name it "Hunger-Gamesβ€œ, because food will be scarce. And, with enough advertising, it would make a profit. Just imagine the podcast stopping and a commentator saying "This handgranade was brought to you by Northrop Grumman" when a grenade is thrown lol

[–] M1nds3nd@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

You know Bob, in all my years commentating I've never seen a Palestinian child fly into so many pieces. The Israeli team is killing it this season! (I feel gross playing along with this.)

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Without the 7 of october, this comics would be right. But after that, adding a Hamas fighter with a Kalashnikov hiding behind the Palestinian civilian would be more accurate.

The horrors Hammas did that day was cruel and inhuman, and so does the Israeli responce since then. In such a situations, it is difficult to chose a side.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Palestinian doesn't mean "hamas fighter"!

You saw a drawing of a person holding a Palestine flag and you are writing about Hamas.

Palestine and it's people were there before Hamas and they will still be there long after Hamas and Israel is history.

Israel = genocide + apartheid

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Palestinian doesn't mean "hamas fighter"!

That's exactly what I mean by adding the Hamas fighter behind the Palestinian civilian, and not making him a Hamas fighter.

You saw a drawing of a person holding a Palestine flag and you are writing about Hamas.

Because Hamas is responsible as much as the Israeli government about the current situation. Putting a lone Palestinian here push the narrative that no one did anything wrong on their side, which isn't true.

Palestine and it's people were there before Hamas and they will still be there long after Hamas and Israel is history.

I hope so for Hamas, but for Israel it is more complicated. If there was a solution that would allow both side to live together as equal, I'd support it fully. But just making Israel disappear won't resolve anything.

Israel = genocide + apartheid

Exactly. As would be a Palestinian state dominated by Hamas or its allies.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The hamas is not a government.

It is easy to pick a side.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not anymore, after being mostly whipped out by the Israeli military.

Nor the Israeli government, or the Iran aligned armed groups (Hamas, Hezbollah) are worth of being supported, the only worthy side is those who wish for peaceful and respectful cohabitation.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the only worthy side is those who wish for peaceful and respectful cohabitation.

So you support Hamas?

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you'd take a look at Hamas ideology, I'd call that far from peaceful and respectful.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hamas supports a peaceful resolution and two state solution. They had a very nice peaceful march in 2019. Similar to the west bank. Even Hamas recent statements are very reasonable and try to reach a peaceful resolution.

Say ,which party is the violent one which tries to expand their Lebensraum and refuses all attempts at peace again? I recall there being an order for a party to directly distantle all their illegal colonies in the West Bank.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Thanks for doing the title thing.

[–] keropoktasen@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You should add a palestinian tank along with the other tanks, and replace that palestine flag at the front with hamas'. Palestinian should stand along with other western countries in fighting hamas.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh strange did Hamas colonize Palestine in 1948 and lock people up in a concentration camp where they systematically Genocide them?

I must be very uninformed.

[–] PiousAgnostic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You are more informed on some things than others, how much do you get paid to spread propaganda before a US election? Where do you go when the election is over?

These are the pressing questions lemmy is dying for.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sadly I don't get paid to raise awareness to an ongoing Genocide. I hear doing Genocide apologia for the regime pays good money though. Do they send "additional information" along with the cheques?

[–] PiousAgnostic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Meh, I'm playing stupid or liar. And I picked liar. I could be wrong.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 2 years ago

Everyone that cares about stuff I don't is faking it and must be paid to care cause I only care about money instead of other humans.

Real nuanced take. Not really sure you get Sonder and understand empathy.

[–] keropoktasen@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

Yes you are indeed uninformed. There are no concentration camps in palestine. Not in 1948, and not even now.

[–] Tamo240@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

If a foreign nation dropped a bomp on your house or rolled a tank down your street you might just start to side with the people saying they're going to get them back.

Israel's strategy can and will only lead to more Hamas support because they make no distinction between civilians and Hamas. They have never had a real plan to 'return hostages', only to wipe out the Palestinian people, because they perceive the idea of Palestinian identity to be an existential threat.