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[–] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 231 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

What the therapist doesn’t understand is that the anger is not just about mom dying. It’s about how everyone around this person failed them in a moment of danger, and as a result of that her mom died a horrible death. And even later, her society was collectively unable to acknowledge its behavior and the consequences it had.

I did not lose my mom but I did work in a hospital as a physician throughout the pandemic. I remember the ICU being full from Covid patients to the point that the hospital had to open new sections up and nurses working overtime to accommodate all of the sick. Then I would leave the hospital after providing care to all of these sick and dying people… and go to the grocery store where everyone was refusing to even mask up and I would see ghoulish politicians who were talking about how it was a hoax. I could see this catastrophe happening in front of my own eyes and everyone around me just wanted to pretend it was fake.

I didn’t suffer the loss this woman did but those terrible experiences and the feeling that my community had completely failed its members forever changed how I see people and the society I live in. So yeah, I get why she is still mad.

[–] DokPsy@lemmy.world 89 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My wife worked in ICU then COVID ICU. She still gets PTSD flashbacks from everything she dealt with when someone comes in with similar symptoms. I got front row tickets to seeing a person who's entire job is to keep people alive go from "oh someone I had today coded and we couldn't bring them back" every so often to "we had multiple people die today. A few more aren't much longer. If we put them on their back, they'll die. If we give them water, they'll choke and die. They still refuse to believe that COVID is real as they are actively suffering and dying of it".

Yeah, we get a touch testy when people say it was fake or overblown

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[–] QueenHawlSera@piefed.social 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It bothers me to this day that people thought it was a hoax. A lot of people I knew who thought it was a hoax wound up catching Covid, though none of them were hospitalized over it, which honestly kinda sucks because it means they didn't learn their lesson.

[–] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One of the doctors I worked with bought into the craziness and was arguing with the hospital about vaccines and masks even as our ICU was about to burst. Then his wife caught it and ended up in the ICU as a patient. He still did not change his mind despite her being in the hospital, and this was a physician.

I guess what I’m saying is they still probably wouldn’t have learned. I don’t mean to be so pessimistic but propaganda is so powerful.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago

Michael Shermer said this a long time ago but he said, "Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons."

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Found out a few coworkers thought it was a hoax and casually brought up how it not only almost killed me, the guy I caught it from (a vocal antivaxxer!) DID die. I know dozens of people hospitalized and dozens more who suffered. I had jobs canceled because the client died.

They both worked office (then WFH) jobs during COVID. I worked 55+ hours a week in people's homes and businesses. Who do you think has a better idea of the reality of the situation?

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[–] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 31 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I was routinely being sent to places like Texas to work during the pandemic because they didn't care. It made me so mad being down there and getting made fun of for wearing a mask when where I live, you couldn't go into any building without one.

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I worked at a nursing home at that time. So many people died or were impacted, an entire wing got shut down because of how many patients were lost. It then re-opened to be exclusively for Covid patients.

My grandma died there. I was the last relative to see her alive. The day before she passed, I called all of my aunts/uncles, siblings, and some of my cousins (the ones closest to her) so they could say their goodbyes. As anyone who’s worked with dying patients knows, sometimes people cling on and suffer in a terminal state until they get closure from a relative giving them “permission” to let go. I had to be that person. I told her that it’s okay, that we all love her and we understand. Although she appeared catatonic, right after I said that, a tear rolled down her eye. I think she heard me and understood, though there’s no way to really know. It was a hard day. She passed the next morning.

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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 87 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

Okay, but, my fellow tumblrite, therapy isn't going to help with that. When you went to your therapist, they assumed you want to stop feeling a certain way and feel different. If you don't want the help they can offer to achieve that (which is valid), why are you there?

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

A mental health therapist can and should be able to help a client manage their righteous anger as they work their way through it together. Anger underlies a great many things, and grief is one of them. You don't just say, "I don't want to feel angry," or just decide, "I'm not going to be angry about this anymore," when the rage is this broad and deep and well-established: in time, that kind of denial and repression is just going to explode in your face, if it works at all.

Instead, because anger is very well understood, there are known ways to deal with it. Anger doesn't just disappear on its own, nor even very quickly, and a person suffering this kind of grief could use some assistance diving into the anger and the very exact specifics that are causing it. The therapist should be able to navigate this presenting anger with relative ease and guide the client through it, not just with skillful therapeutic inquiries to get to the very specific root of this writer's unique grief which is where they'd start, but also with coping skills to give the client to be able to self-manage their righteous rage for as long as it takes them to work through it and clear it so that their overwhelming grief can resolve.

This therapist is doing none of that. Instead, they are just offering commentary on the presence and length of the anger as though they're watching a movie, when they could and should be helping the writer sort it out and work through it. That's not on the writer, that's on the therapist.

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[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

i think a therapist should be able to help their patient with feels that are the correct reactions to a situation, without resulting to a "why aren't you over this already?"

i bet this specific form of anger also makes the patient feel incredibly hopeless, so their mind has a choice - to feel anger, or despair, they chose anger, and it needs to be worked through in a healthy way, not just gotten over with

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[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

We have to re-normalize anger against injustice.

Anger is pathologized primarilybecause our entire economic and social order is built of pure, unadulterated injustice, and if you're allowed to be angry at injustices, the entire system might collapse.

Anyone trivializing or pathologizing anger is spreading the propaganda of the ruling class whether they mean to or not.

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[–] jdf038@mander.xyz 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

See now I am angry for this person.

And that seems pretty reasonable.

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[–] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I remember hearing an ad for a big water park in my area during covid saying they are still open.

They knew there'd be push back so there was a line "no one is forcing you to go" in that dj voice.

Pissed me right off, it put people in my area in more danger because all of those people mingling there still need to go to public stores and shit.

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[–] PacketPilgrim@thelemmy.club 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The problem is there's no accountability anywhere. I'm a bit older so for me it's been 9/11, Iraq with WMD lies, Afghanistan Taliban replaced by the Taliban, Arming the Latin Cartels, Panama Papers, COVID, Epstein Files, Bailouts for Wallstreet, there are more for sure but nobody is ever held to account for anything. The bigger the lie the bigger the corruption the more it just gets swept away like nothing happened. It causes you to lose faith in your country and die a little inside each time. So I get it.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Dude I'm older than you, so I remember all that, as well as Iran-Contra, AIDS, Watergate (the last scandal for which there were consequences), Vietnam, My Lai, Nixon, the Arab Oil Embargo, the insane inflation of the 70s, Kent State, a whole bunch of assassinations, the Iran Hostage Situation, and a lot more.

Imagine over 60 years of seeing your government do all sorts of stupid things, with virtually no consequences at all (except Watergate, a little bit).

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The problem isn't anger nearly so much as "What are you going to do with that rage?"

And the answer seems to be "Go on the internet and type in all caps at other people!" Which... hey, I guess that works. We seem to have a lot of very angry people online and they do seem to be venting their frustration at one another very effectively.

We also have a growing number of police, military recruits, and paramilitary forces who also spend a bunch of time online working themselves up into terrified rage. And then they get to go out with guns and batons and tear gas to square off against civilians who have been terrified in turn.

Then we have a congo line of politicians show up to say "Vote for me and I will end the terror!" And then we get an even bigger police and paramilitary state, which maybe gets used to suppress the political opponents some of the time. But mostly just gets used to attack the homeless, round up immigrants, and bomb brown people living abroad. So now the whole world can feel terrified and angry. And we can be terrified and angry of that in turn.

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I have two neices. Their mom and dad both said covid wasn't real or it was a government psyop or it was Obama's fault or whatever.

Then their mom died of covid. Their dad still doesn't think it's real.

I don't understand it. I got two jabs and wore a mask, and the worst thing that happened to my wife and I throughout the pandemic was a sore spot on our arm for a day. Neither of us has ever had covid, or we had such a mild case that we never noticed. And all we had to do was... take some really basic precautions.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

but, you see, those basic precautions require having empathy and caring about other people.. and, sadly, the idea of America Exceptionalistic Individualism, has destroyed empathy and the ability to care for anyone outside of yourself in a disgustingly large swathe of the population.

Which is why they mock, deride, and laugh.. until it affects them, then, and ONLY then, must there be decorum and understanding.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago

Crazy: The government planned COVID! Me: This government couldn't plan a fucking beer run.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

I almost died from COVID and now everytime someone talks like that I want the next thing to come out of their mouths be teeth.

[–] Ertain@mast.linuxgamecast.com 27 points 1 week ago

@homesweethomeMrL All's I can say is that this person's anger is justified.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel increasingly lost in a world that says it's bad to feel angry, depressed, and anxious all the time when those seem to be perfectly reasonable reactions to things going on around us. To me, it feels less sane to be upbeat and positive.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (12 children)

The worst part about things like this is when you try to have a conversation like this with your average friend/coworker/acquaintance/etc. they're all like, "calm down; you're overreacting". I'm like, "no, fuck you; you're underreacting! People DIED."

Has anyone else over the age of 35 notice a major shift the past couple of decades regarding how little people care about literally anything? It's like humanity as a whole have turned into emotional zombies. You can't even say hi to strangers in public anymore. They just stare at you like, "who are you and why the fuck are you talking to me"? It's so bizarre compared to how people used to be in the 90s and 2000s. Nobody even wants to make eye contact with anyone anymore, let alone wave as you pass each other down the street. Not unless you're someone they know.

It's as if people forgot how to communicate with each other outside of the internet... Is it just me? Maybe I just have a bitchy resting face. IDK. But anyway this YT Short perfectly exemplifies exactly want I mean. (Piped link)

[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

they’re all like, “calm down; you’re overreacting”. I’m like, “no, fuck you; you’re underreacting! People DIED.”

Worst part is the response I've gotten from this. "It was just some old people and those that would have died anyway from something else."

Has anyone else over the age of 35 notice a major shift the past couple of decades regarding how little people care about literally anything?

Until it impacts them personally, yes. Knew someone who thought covid was a common cold (had relatives with mild symptoms of any), then they caught it and it rocked them. Suddenly it wasn't anything to make fun of anymore. If they didn't have bad symptoms, they still wouldn't care.

It’s as if people forgot how to communicate with each other outside of the internet… Is it just me?

Definitely not just you.

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 week ago

One family living down the road from me lost an adult son to COVID because the 3 men of the house, father & 2 sons, believe(d) that the vaccine makes men sterile and of course they refused to wear masks. Despite mandates against large indoor gatherings, the family opted to have a funeral service with 100+ people packed into the church. A bunch of attendees ended up with COVID in the week or two following, one of which died. Very likely, the bulk of those folks got it at the funeral, as there are photos showing that almost nobody was wearing a mask nor social distancing.

Another set of neighbors, the wife was homebound due to poor health, but otherwise she still managed keeping up with yard and house work, cooking, cleaning, taking care of herself, etc. The husband spent his days of retirement out gallivanting with his buddies, hanging out unmasked and unvaxxed at bars, and places like that. The wife who never left the house, ended up with COVID. Pretty obvious he gave it to her considering he was feeling under the weather the prior week and she never left the house, but since he refused to take a COVID test, he would insist he never had it. She survived, but it left her physically and mentally disabled, not really able to take care of herself, forcing him to become her care taker. Then he passed away, largely due to ignoring his health and troubling signs.

I know I should be angry, but mostly I'm sad.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

One of the most insightful comments I've heard, iirc from thecollectress on Instagram (hope I got her username right, it's been a while), is that the emphasis on maintaining a non-confrontational nature is a core component of white supremacist thinking (and by extension, capitalist thinking). That it's more important not to upset anyone than it is to argue for righteousness.

"The obnoxious peace which is the absence of tension, rather than the righteous peace which is the presence of justice" and all that.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (49 children)

I'd say we're in a far worse position if we were to get a COVID-26 after everyone started openly embracing anti-science and anti-empathy thanks to the MAHA/MAGA folks.

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 18 points 1 week ago

I am really tired of being emotional being an insult when its a major point of humanity.

[–] protist@retrofed.com 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think what this person isn't getting is the feeling of anger and the actions one takes in response to feeling anger are very different things. Feeling anger is part of being human. Acting angry is absolutely called for in some circumstances, but it can easily spin out of control and infect other parts of your life that have nothing to do with what you're angry about. Dollars to donuts this person has let anger infect their life to the point it's disrupting something, like maybe their relationships or employment, which is why they're in therapy.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago

I want to hug OOP so bad ;_; COVID took my dad from us and yeah, it was like that. I want to listen to OOP tell me everything on their mind about their mom... without judging them. Without questioning them. With only accepting them and commiserating. Fuck this timeline and the world we built in it...

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Anger is not a productive emotion. It drains you, exhausts you. It doesn't help. Transform it into something cold and calculated, and use it to get metaphorical revenge.

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[–] Janx@piefed.social 16 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I have no idea who this person is, but I'm pretty sure they should be in charge of things...

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