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    also this insane hiring process

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    [–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 140 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Ubuntu was my gateway into Linux, but man I'm glad I ditched it years ago.

    [–] yakko@feddit.uk 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Same πŸ’ͺ🏻 (Mint pleb)

    [–] Asetru@feddit.org 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Ah, yes, green Ubuntu. Nice.

    [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 30 points 3 weeks ago

    They also make green Debian!

    [–] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Linux Mint, maker of 'Slow XFCE' aka Cinnamon

    [–] yakko@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Aren't we switching to Wayland later this year? Not an area of my expertise but I've heard about it

    [–] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Yep, soooon, but really it doesn't make or break anything for me.

    X11 (to me) just means a project already works and there's nothing to fix.

    Tbh, if Mint had a KDE version, I'd use it instantly, no idea why they want to dedicate resources to remaking the same desktop everyone else already makes, but worse.

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    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    It wasn’t my gateway, but I do remember when it started and rapidly became my distro of choice because of it’s focus on a good, easy, well supported desktop. sigh

    Nowadays I just use Debian Stable.

    [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

    One could say that Ubuntu's original purpose has become obsolete ... they could still strive to provide the best Linux Desktop experience, period, but nowadays it's kinda hard to stand out that way and it doesn't pay the bills unless one wants to get serious about computers with preinstalled Linux. Which might actually have happened if the Ubuntu phone had been a (commercial) success, but alas.

    [–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Tuxedo OS is based on Ubuntu but they're doing to make the switch to Debian testing as a base, with extra checks, btrfs with Snapper as default.

    This might be my next distro of choice.

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    [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 112 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    "We don't sell your data except to provide you with services or products" should be illegal wording. Those two words include 100% of what any company does lol

    "We don't sell your data only if you don't use us at all"

    [–] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 45 points 3 weeks ago

    This is actually standard gdpr / data protection verbiage. It means the company cannot use your data for its own purposes, only to provide you services you agreed upon. Selling your data to a third party, or sending you marketing emails you didn't subscribe to, isn't "providing you with services or products" so it is explicitly forbidden.

    [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago

    We don’t sell your data except when we sell your data.

    [–] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 60 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    When have any of you given them your private information?

    [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 45 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Feel like more context would be required tbh. Like if you are contacting support by email you are giving them your email address and they kinda need it to reply to you.

    [–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Ubuntu Pro requires users (both individuals and enterprises) to register with Canonical to receive security updates.

    [–] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    You get security updates without Ubuntu pro.

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    [–] cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Nah. Nope. That's not what this says.

    Your Lemmy server keeps your email for logins. Requires less language.

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    [–] oce@jlai.lu 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Sorry, I clicked on accept once when I was 12 and now they allowed themselves to steal everyone's. :/

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    [–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 44 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    We don't surveil you, unless we feel like it.

    [–] Prathas@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago

    And don't ask us how often that happens.

    [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    What does highschool maths have to do with anything? I assume they alsoo require higher education? Who keeps their highschool grades around for job interviews? This is absolutely bonkers!

    [–] conny@sopuli.xyz 42 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Canonical has an incredibly convoluted, daunting hiring process. What's seen in the screenshot can't even realistically be considered the tip of the iceberg. Besides fussing over your high school performance (if you don't claim to be top X% of your class it's an instant rejection), they also make you do written quizzes and some "psychometric assessment" (pseudo-science BS). After that it'll be roughly TEN rounds of interviews, the final one being with Mark Shuttleworth himself who may very well be a dick and decide he simply doesn't like you.

    If you're curious, someone has written down their full experience here: https://www.dustri.org/b/my-experience-with-canonicals-interview-process.html

    I once considered applying to them since they have a lot of interesting job postings on LinkedIn, but after reading through these experiences I decided this simply wasn't worth it.

    [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago

    After that it’ll be roughly TEN rounds of interviews, the final one being with Mark Shuttleworth himself who may very well be a dick and decide he simply doesn’t like you.

    A dear friend of mine went through this hiring process for a very senior spot. She's been out of high-school for 35 years, has obtained 2 degrees since, and has run a hemisphere for a very nerdy storage-adjacent pro-serve company for a decade; but still needed to talk about her English marks in secondary school. I met her when we started our own company in '97.

    She suffered 14 interviews, with the prep, interview - panel, group, or solo - taking a lot of her daytime. It was grueling. She met Mark, and it went very well. Her new boss and reports were making all kinds of positive noises about starting work soon.

    A sub-stellar response from some French guy from Interview #3 torpedoed it. The rejection after all the essays, questions, prepared interviews and research was absolutely crushing and almost derailed the MBA programme she was on.

    [–] SolSerkonos@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

    That was a really interesting rabbit hole. Thank you.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

    Secondary is my highest level of education. The equivalent would be high school plus a trade. Now I'm a sysadmin at the very same university that I dropped out of, and regularly meet the calculus teacher that failed me.

    Also consider that Canonical is a British company, and secondary education is often enough in Europe to become a well-functioning adult. Depending on the job, high school education can be more relevant than the specialized knowledge gained from higher education.

    [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago

    I've heard some horror stories about canonical interviews, namely that Mark Shuttelworth sits in on all the interviews, and dismisses applicants based on vibes

    [–] swooper@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

    I skip anyone that requests it, itβ€˜s not a good sign to me. Itβ€˜s them screening undesirables.

    [–] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    You know when someone says "your X is extremely important to us" it's always the opposite.

    [–] Trail@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

    No, it is important to them because it makes them money.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 34 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Canonical was good, then the Amazon Affiliate link in the Sidebar happened, after that it only went down hill.

    [–] dudeface@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

    They were trying to be too general purpose but never had good enough enterprise support to make people consider moving from redhat so they tried to get profit from desktop users

    [–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

    The turning point for me was when they started making a Windows-style start menu with web search enabled by default.

    [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    First law of privacy policies: if someone feels compelled to start out by ensuring that your privacy is important to them, it's not.

    If it actually is, their policies will demonstrate that clearly and unambiguously, and they won't have to be so defensive about it.

    [–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago

    It has Ubuntu in it

    [–] oceancloud@discuss.online 20 points 3 weeks ago

    Thank you for helping me form an opinion about Canonical.

    [–] Polaris@jlai.lu 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    "Your private data is extremely important to us, as we make money from it", how the hell do they manage to be this shady x(((

    [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    It's a for-profit corporation, always was. The only thing changed is people started to actually care about it a bit

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    [–] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I thnok context is required here. Canonical foes not only make Ubuntu, it makes other things. Maybe they ask for information only for their cloud subscription or something?

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    [–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    I hate the fact that i like their font so much. After i found out the license was pulled into question and my distro wasn't packaging it, i switched to something else, but so far nothing really hits the same way for me as a GUI font.

    [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Same. But is someone going to sue me if I install it on whatever unafiliated distro I use? It's going to be just fine as long as I don't distribute it, especially since I'm more interested in it as a terminal font than as a GUI font.

    [–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Well the reason i care is because i use a distro that is exclusively libre (Guix). I do have to use a separate channel to get the regular kernel cause i simply can't go without it, but i figured i may as well use libre-only as much as possible, especially for something as easily replaceable as a font. I can still get the font by other means but chose to use something else. I'm currently using Lato, which is fine and i'm getting used to it now, but i probably still prefer the look of Ubuntu. In the terminal i use Mononoki, have been using it for years now and haven't even felt the need to try anything else, i still love how it looks.

    [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    https://canonical.com/legal/font-licence

    "This licence allows the licensed fonts to be used, studied, modified and redistributed freely."

    It's not one of the normal licenses, and idk a lawyer. Why can't a distro include it?

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    [–] Marija@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 weeks ago

    Better than default doesn't mean perfect.

    [–] cenariodantesco@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

    yeah I remember applying to them years ago, it was bad haha

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