Tesla needs to be a co-defendent in this case.
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As does DoorDash
I would support that as well. That is a toxic company.
Because they let you press the juice pedal with an annoying warning while in fsd mode?
Because FSD pulls drivers into a sense of complacensyct, so when something goes wrong a panic reaction can cause catastrophic consequences.
I have a neighbor who says she watches YouTube videos while driving between Florida and Virginia. So much for being aware and ready to take control...
From the beginning, investigators have focused on how Butler was using Tesla's system. Butler told officials and paramedics that he was working as a DoorDash driver and that the car was in FSD mode before he "passed out" while changing music on the car's touchscreen, according to the affidavit. The affidavit said tests found no alcohol or drugs in his system.
The affidavit says Butler manually pressed the accelerator pedal several times in the neighborhood where the crash occurred, "overriding the default FSD speed." At one point, the car reached 73 miles per hour on the residential street – more than twice the posted limit. The affidavit also notes there was no brake pedal input recorded in the final minute before the crash.
Tesla executives publicly disputed Butler's version of events. On social media, they said the driver pressed the accelerator pedal down and kept it pressed even after the crash. The company says FSD doesn't make its cars self-driving and that drivers still have to stay alert and be ready to step in.
So... A few things.
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He passed out while changing music?
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He did not attempt to brake at all and kept pressing the accelerator after the crash.
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So he still was passed out after crashing into a house at 70+ mph?
That's what he's saying happened, according to his affidavit, and the data from the vehicle. So the exact same thing would have happened in any other vehicle as well, FSD had little impact on the crash. He passed out pressing the accelerator pedal and crashed into a hosw when the road ended. So maybe without FSD it wouldn't have driven as straight, instead veering off to the side of the road, still at 70+ mph. Keeping in mind that manually steering the wheel with a modicum of force disengages FSD, so there was little to no force on the wheel.
The company says FSD doesn't make its cars self-driving
Oh. Really? What's the meaning of this abbr. again?
They really should be held legally accountable for using a name that doesn't mean what the words mean, especially due to the danger it results in.
Of course. I mean, what if black paint doesn't paint things black? Or what's with salt that doesn't make things salty? If a builder cannot build things and a cleaner cannot clean anything?
They are all worthless.
Even if it were actually full self driving, when you override it’s still on you
Fully Self Driving 👍
Wrong, it’s Fuck Some Dwellings
Oh my God... My neighbors live in some dwellings!
'For Stupid Dickwads'
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!
"passing out" seems like a convenient excuse for "im taking a nap, or fell asleep or im texting or browsing on my phone". if he doesnt have diabetes, or a sleeping disorder, it would be hard press to prove it.
The foot on the accelerator after the crash doesn't make sense. He would have been thrown around like crazy. I think this points to sensor malfunction or something like that.
I was in an accident, knew it was going to happen, and braced myself. When it was all over, there was a loud noise, and I realized my foot was braced on the accelerator. Since the car had started to roll when I braced myself, this had little bearing on the accident. Also, this driver wasn't in a state where he was bracing for an accident, but he may have jammed his foot on the pedal when he woke up.
I have cruise control in my car, and not the smart cruise control that slows you down if some arsehole pulls out right in front of you. I rented a Toyota Camry for a month that did that. While mine was in the shop. It could also change lanes without you touching the steering wheel. It wasn't FSD, but it could take turns for you. I feel the tech was there, but it wasn't enabled, but it could do it in short bursts. Anyway, MY car doesn't have the adaptive cruise control, just the regular.
My point is, if I'm cruising at 40 and the speed limit drops to 20kph and I get a speeding ticket for not reducing speed, I can't say "well I had cruise on." Sure, but it's up to you to reduce the speed. FSD doesn't absolve you of liability, it's still your car and your responsibility. Not sure how people don't get that. I mean, fuck the elongated muskrat and fuck the regime he's propping up, but let's not go crazy and act like Teslas and other EVs aren't a net positive for the environment. Sure, they have their flaws, but making them out to be murder machines is straight-up false. If you don't want that much tech in your car (I don't — I just want my music and Maps, so I use an aftermarket CarPlay from China and pair to that), don't buy a Tesla. Pretty simple. I kinda want a Tesla though. But I'd rather have a BYD. They're more cost efficient, I think. And I'd rather not support the fascist muskrat.
They are making a defective, misleading product. Cruise control is not marketed as making the vehicle autonomous, and people don't expect it to be. But Tesla does, and people do. They share responsibility with the negligent drivers.
Sure, but if they say you have to be in control at all times to pass blame then they need to call it driver assist or something other than "full self driving".
So as expected, and as has been the case with almost every case where someone blames FSD or Autopilot, the guy has just been lying through his teeth.
It’s like the people who go and scratch up teslas without realising that they’re on camera. Everything these cars do is logged in a black box type manner. You will not win in court by attempting to say it did something it didn’t.