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Bethesda Gifts Everybody in the Skyblivion Mod Team a Copy of Oblivion Remastered (www.thegamer.com)
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Hopefully people can stop with the "I bet Bethesda will take down skyblivion!1!!" comments now. It's very clear there's good will between modders and the devs.

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[–] Guitar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God so many people on here act like Todd Howard personally killed their child. It's fucking insufferable. You guys don't crucify other companies like this when it comes to mods. This only happens with Bethesda who is realistically one of the only companies that has supported mods in the mainstream. Games can also be good without mods. Get over yourselves and just enjoy a fucking game.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I think it's because Bethesda has a long history of attacking their modding community

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@piefed.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No mods on the remaster? Get fucked Bethesda.

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are already mods being uploaded to the Nexus...

https://www.nexusmods.com/games/oblivionremastered

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@piefed.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was gonna bring back lmgtfy but fuck it - I literally just don't care what you think or feel.

How do I turn off notifications? Christ.

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[–] Vopyr@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So it's a remaster, not a remake?

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it's called "The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered" after all.

[–] Vopyr@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not that deep into gaming news, I've heard rumors of a remake, so I'm surprised.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

For all intents and purposes it seems to be a remake. It's just stupidly named, so it makes the confusing stuff even more confusing.

EDIT: Apparently it's far closer to a remake than a remaster after all.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's still creation engine with UE5 stapled on top, the only gameplay change was making the leveling system more like skyrim.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow that was one of my favorite parts about Oblivion. You could break it so easily

I had a wizard who was maxed out in basically ever skill except the magic skills so when I finally did the mages guild quest line I was face tanking everything

I was so over powered I started breaking the enchantment system bc I had done every important quest and could afford anything (100% chameleon was hilarious)

And let's not forget that jumping off mountains to level up is clearly the best mechanic of all time

Maybe I'll skip this one if they removed the good jank

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[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone play Fallout London? I couldn't rollback the pointless update that cockblocked the mod. This time, they just make an attempt to squeeze out money before skyblivion offers the option.

Unless Bethesda actually fully embraces and supports the modding community, I'll never buy another one of their games.

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

their eula for oblivion remastered forbids modding

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does it really? That's batshit.

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

https://store.steampowered.com/eula/2623190_eula_0

Section 3D

  1. LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS. Certain features of the Game are a Service offered by ZeniMax and may only be downloaded online. In such cases, an Internet connection (which is not supplied by ZeniMax) is required to access these features. You are responsible for all costs and expenses associated with acquiring any hardware, software (e.g., Internet browsers), or other products or services required to play the Game. In addition to the restrictions, conditions, and limitations set forth in the ZeniMax Terms of Service and the ZeniMax Code of Conduct, the license granted to you in this EULA is subject to the conditions, restrictions, and limitations set forth in Section 1 and this Section 3 of this EULA (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of ZeniMax’s copyrights in and to the Game and will be a breach of this Agreement. You agree that you will not and will not assist any other person, under any circumstances, to:
    D. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or their experience of playing the Game
[–] sauce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Source? Iirc it just said that modding wasn't supported, not forbidden

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

https://store.steampowered.com/eula/2623190_eula_0

Section 3D

  1. LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS. Certain features of the Game are a Service offered by ZeniMax and may only be downloaded online. In such cases, an Internet connection (which is not supplied by ZeniMax) is required to access these features. You are responsible for all costs and expenses associated with acquiring any hardware, software (e.g., Internet browsers), or other products or services required to play the Game. In addition to the restrictions, conditions, and limitations set forth in the ZeniMax Terms of Service and the ZeniMax Code of Conduct, the license granted to you in this EULA is subject to the conditions, restrictions, and limitations set forth in Section 1 and this Section 3 of this EULA (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of ZeniMax’s copyrights in and to the Game and will be a breach of this Agreement. You agree that you will not and will not assist any other person, under any circumstances, to:
    D. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or their experience of playing the Game
[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Always be suspicious of corporations.

[–] Gibibit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is the point of this cynical comment in this context. Everyone is winning here.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It goes against the corpo nature to do something that doesn't earn them money. Their hierarchy of needs has only one point: income. Even this serves them in some way, even if it's not apparent.

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Okay? Again, who are you serving by choosing this specific forum to shout that messaging? I know you aren't OP, so consider that the royal "you".

It's just tiresome is all, and I'm on the "boo, capitalism" side of things. It's like the folks who turn every thread tangentially related to Microsoft into a Linux advertisement. Or the involuntary ejaculation of a vegetarian when the subject of diet comes up. Like, yes, these folks are probably correct about the things they are saying; you're never going to be wrong to consider the angle being worked by a corp. However, it's infantilizing to suggest that people are unaware that a corporation wants their money. That's a given, and without additional commentary, it's a positively useless statement that only serves to make people tune out the messaging, even in contexts where it IS desirable to bring it up (such as when a company is doing shady shit in pursuit of your money). Releasing a mediocre graphical remaster of a title that people have nostalgia for hardly qualifies as "shady shit" in my book. Lazy, sure, but not shady.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm suspicious, but overall more relaxed. Only wish other companies would be a gracious

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why? Bathesda is probably THE company that supports modders the most. People will still play skyblivion when it comes out.

[–] Vopyr@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Of course they support modders, after all, someone has to finish and patch their unfinished games! 😄

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. It is also the company that tried to charge for mods.

The millionaires don't need your to defend them.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean... if you actually care about the people who make your mods you SHOULD want them to be compensated. Even a simple quest mod or weapon mod is hours of work, if not days or weeks.

And while there is an argument as to whether Bethesda should receive a cut of that... people tend to not want to have that conversation about Valve and Steam so...

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm pro-paid-mods, but at least the way it was rolled out the first time was pretty shit. The modders were left with a very small cut after Valve and Bethesda each got theirs, and Bethesda did basically no vetting of the content to make sure it wasn't stolen or malware or what have you.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The issue is also that it was added to a game that was already a decade old. So licensing was a giant mess and a lot of mods already depended on other mods.

For a release starting "from scratch" with paid mods would go a long way toward fixing that. Creators would have a much easier time making that demarcation of "I don't care who uses this support library" and "I would like a few bucks to cover the voice acting I commissioned for this quest chain" and so forth.

Which is kind of what we saw with Make Something Unreal back in the day. UT2k3/4 was "close enough" to the best UT that there was a LOT of controversy over stolen scripts, level design, etc.

I dunno. I won't at all pretend Bethesda did a good job of rolling out their model. But it REALLY pisses me off when people pretend they are "defending modders" while it is clear they are just angry that they might be charged for the content they consume.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I remember one of the modders behind a UI overhaul talking about the response to paid mods, when users kept saying that a donation system was better, that in the entire time they'd been making the mod they'd only gotten like $50 in donations total.

Edit: And seeing modders use patreon now for support, and those mods still getting "pirated", I don't think the issue was ever about Bethesda or how they handled it.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah.

There is a lot of the same barely veiled doublespeak with "game preservation". I always think back to the days before GoG where abandonware sites were a dime a dozen and a select few torrent sites were AMAZING for having anything you could ever have wanted with very strict rules as to what generations/years were allowed and so forth.

Then comes GoG. Exactly what we had been asking for for years. A store that lets us actually BUY the games we grew up with or that were foundational to the industry. And with "No DRM" to boot. And... overnight almost every single torrent site added exceptions to just allow people to upload the gog installers.

Which is why these days I tend to side eye anyone arguing for "video game preservation" without a decent org behind them. Because having forty copies of Mario 64 on a shelf is not preservation any more than playing Crusader No Remorse upscaled in dosbox on a 4k monitor. Preservation is, more often than not, the full play videos that capture the "feel" of the era combined with interviews with the people who worked on it who can give insight into why decisions were made. And a system so that actual historians (even if they are "just" writing a video essay) can book time to experience it. Rather than a bunch of binaries to play on a stream.

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I have been waiting so many years now for Skyblivion that I am not going to bother with the Remaster. And to be honest, something with the Remaster and UE5 feels off visually.

The Skyblivion Teams attention to detail and love for the project makes me believe that it will also be the superior version of Oblivion.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't get why some people think Skyblivion is some threat to Bethesda Elder Scrolls games at all. Mods are always going to be more niche than fully marketed and funded maintained commercial storefront releases.

Skyblivion is going to be limited to what the latest Skyrim release engine supports while this remaster has Unreal Engine 5 stapled on top as the graphics renderer. They added new voice acting. People are developing mod toolchains for the remaster. It's more substantial than the vast majority of remasters we've seen

[–] wispy_jsp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think many people believe that Bethesda views skyblivion as something that will compete for market share. I think it's more of a surprise to people that in an age where so many major companies are quick to go after modders, Bethesda has not only allowed skyblivion to exist but has also officially acknowledged their work in a positive light.

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