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[–] Echinoderm@aussie.zone 114 points 3 days ago (2 children)

People seem surprised that Herbert did draw inspiration from real life events. Dune is losely based on Russian imperialism in the Muslim Caucasus region. Which is also a region rich in oil deposits. This isn't Herbert seeing the future as much as history repeating.

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-secret-history-of-dune is an interesting read.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean, the savior in the story is literally called the Mahdi, which is also the savior in Shia Islam.

[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Hupf@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Very funny scene, but honestly not relevant

[–] Napster153@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

The Mahdi is a universally accepted prophesy, and one many pretenders have attempted.

Most are on par with the Leader of the Boxer Rebellion on that they never read the details behind said prophecy.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Russian leaders weren't a bunch of bloated pedophiles tho, were they?

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You would be horrified how many leaders are. Its comes with the mindset. "Those who seek power rarely deserve it; and those who deserve power, rarely seek it."

[–] bender223@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

bro, thats just trump without his makeup and hair 😛

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 83 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not saying you have to be on drugs to imagine space sex ninjas on cocaine planet, but I am saying something was on.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 11 points 3 days ago

Just your average dream when taking melatonin

[–] Akamun@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

This has happened a lot in history. But things change and what used to work just fail. He was unable to adapt quickly.

While his opponent remade themselves every time.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Almost like America has been doing this for decades, regardless of which of the 2 parties are in power.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

The degree to which the O&G industry has co-opted the Republican Party cannot be understated. This only really took root under Ford, when guys like Bush and Cheney were promoted into the upper echelons of the political leadership while in the midst of converting historically Dixiecrat Gulf Coast states to the Republican Party.

Democrats were late to the party, having more heavily aligned with the NY-based Finance Sector and CA-based global shipping magnets. It's been the outsized demand for energy in Silicon Valley that has really collapsed the Green-ish Democrats into O&G by way of Obama/Trump/Biden Era rapidly escalating demands for electricity. And even then, Dems are consistently in favor of generic economic growth while Republicans are hyper-fixated on O&G growth exclusively.

[–] trashboypro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Herbert was on spice when he was writing Dune in 1965 because how else he could see the future of the USA?

[–] Jiggs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Possibly because history tends to repeat itself. Especially in case of US starting conflicts there. Could easily see the Operation Ajax being what he based the book on.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

Same with cyberpunk lore. Often that reads like current events, but in the end it's extrapolation of events back then mixed with knowledge of history.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Well the red flags have always been there from the beginning but the people chose to look the other way, considering the genocide of Native Americans had been a policy since the beginning.

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Look at its past.

[–] The_Wumpus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

The spice must flow

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 35 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Is there a drug that gives you visions of the future?

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 27 points 3 days ago

Snorting crude oil

[–] Dzheyk@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 days ago

This made me giggle in the best way possible

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Harkonnen was only appointed to manage a war, and to decapitate the only threat to the imperial throne.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Emperor pitted two historic rival houses against one another, with the expectation that they'd annihilate themselves and leave room for upstarts to take their place. The Bene Jesuits had seen this cycle play out before and knew it would preserve the Emperor's power at the expense of the advancement of the society as a whole. So, they backchanneled a breeding program between Atreides and Harkonen - on the Atreides side via Lady Jessica and Duke Leto, on the Harkonen side between Feyd-Rautha and Margot Fenring - to yield the prophesied optimal off-spring, the Kwisatz Hadarach.

But all of this ran afoul of a third agency, the Planetologists of Dune, who believed the planet's perpetual condition of spice harvest was undermining what could be a new kind of Eden for domestic development and liberation. Their efforts to irrigate Arakus at the expense of the global galactic trade (catalyzed by Lady Jessica's unlicensed male hier) was what ultimately undermined both the Emperor's political schemes and the Bene Jesuits' breeding program.

In the end, the primary antagonists of the Dune series are the environmentalists, fighting a guerrilla war against a Galactic Oil & Gas Industry.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bene Jesuit, now I can't help but think all those ladies were secretly the catholic church all along 🤣

[–] Napster153@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Just like in real life!

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Keeping with the story, if only Iran had a white savior to come and free them! /s

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Whatever drugs he was on, I want some. Just like one or two doses. So I can forget about all this bullshit for a little while. 😮‍💨

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Listen, there may be a drug at the gas station called spice, but do NOT smoke it!

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

I prefer my spice vintage:

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Will it help you forget or will it make you see every potential outcome?

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

We can resurrect this pile of shit

[–] gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s well known that shrooms inspired him when he wrote the Dune series.

[–] Chaunticleer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

It was not known to me but based just on the description of melange and how Paul saw reality after taking it, it should have been obvious

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 days ago

Frank Herbert and Philip K. Dick were high as fuck and they were creative but very fucking stupid

[–] silver@das-eck.haus 7 points 3 days ago

Frank was on that Algerian cinnamon

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

Corn. Beans. Why are hu-mans so tedious.

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How big is his dick, canonically

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

He’s got chode energy for sure

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Eh, not so much about history repeating itself or seeing the future. These things tend to happen when you have dumb cretins in power, that don't learn from history. It's dead simple to avoid a mistake if you read a book and someone else has made it and with the power of hindsight you have the solution now. But some people are even too dumb for that. Enter the world of Donald Trump.