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Using win 11 with 8gb of ram should be the sentence for nonviolent crimes
Then how about Lenovo for 4GB laptop with integrated?
Cruel and unusual
There are laws against cruel and unusual punishment.
Sadly, not unusual enough
I have both Windows 11 and Linux mint on the same PC with 8 GB of RAM. I use it for making slides, research, watching videos, internet browsing and gaming (valorant, counter strike). Windows 11 isn't unusable at all with 8GB of RAM. It really depends on what your use case is, also depends on the amount of bloatware you have
They never change. I used to repair laptops for a well known laptop brand, this was around the release of Windows Vista, 2006 or so.
We were getting a lot of warranty repairs where the issue was "laptop slow" or words to that effect. The only issue with them was that they didn't have enough ram to run Vista smoothly enough. The whole system chugged. But as there was nothing wrong with the laptops, we'd send them back to the customer largely untouched saying "buy more ram."
At some point, a couple of suits from the company came to look around the warehouse and meet the team. I was primary diagnostic at this point, so I would inspect most of the laptops and confirm their issues. I was getting around 15 laptops a day at this point that were just low ram for Vista, so I asked the suits "why do we sell laptops with Vista that can't run it properly as they don't have enough ram?"
His response was that "Microsoft sets the specs of the laptops. Nothing we can do."
Ah, Vista. My "ready for Vista" laptop finally convinced me to try out this Ubuntu Linux people were talking about, and although I dual booted for a few years, by 2009 I never had Windows on one of my own devices again.
The Vista rollout was so bad.
My workplace got a bunch of new laptops that didn't have Vista-compatible sound card drivers.
This statement is fundamentally wrong. Asking enterprise users to settle for 8GB of memory in a premium $1,299 machine in 2026 is the definition of trading off performance and will tarnish the Surface brand’s reputation for long-term reliability.
In what world are surfaces reliable? All I hear from people who get them from work are what absolute pieces of shit these things are.
My surface pro is okay whenever I have to take a windows laptop to a job site. The unreliability comes from Windows 11, but the hardware has been fine.
Hell you can have an overspec’d gaming PC and Windows still sucks the life out of it.
No, I am talking about the hardware. At least 4 seperate people I've spoken to had nothing but issues with work assigned surfaces. At least a cursory google turned up a few threads with similar sentiments.
I use a Surface Pro 9, I bought it new specifically to install Linux on it.
Uninstalled Windows 11 one hour after it's first bootup and installed Fedora on it, and I am pretty sure most of it's problems are caused by Windows. On Linux, it is stone cold and dead silent when I am browsing the web, editing text, programming etc. I get about 6 hours of freedom when I got VSCodium and some browser windows open.
For sub 5 minute multicore workloads, the metal case eats all that heat up fairly quickly and I can say the device has very good thermal design. Though it does heat up to "hurts to touch" temperatures when I got hour long heavy workloads like compiling the linux kernel, I did expect that because it is an Intel after all.
I don't really mind overheating since I don't hold the device in my hands when I am compiling a giant project, what matters is that it doesn't heat up in my hands when I am watching movies and stuff.
Plus; my favourite desktop GNOME is wonderful on touchscreens, I love their HIG, it is so comfortable. I can't imagine the poor souls having to navigate Windows UI on a touchscreen.
Holy shit, they launched a new 4 gig machine in 2022‽
I find it strange how unwilling Microsoft is to be price competitive with Apple. It really shouldn't be that difficult to price comparably to apple
Apple spent decades perfecting their hardware production while Microsoft relied on third party sellers to create devices that would run Windows. Why would you expect their hardware to be comparable at this point? They’re primarily a software company and their software is also bad
$1300 for a computer that will be able to do nothing but choke on its own face. Great job, world at large, great fucking job.
Meanwhile, my old Linux laptop is chugging along quite happily with 2GB.
That's actually...impressive
What do you typically use it for though? My PC is central to the media I consume, the games I play and as a creative outlet. I don't think I'd be able to use most of the tools I enjoy with such little memory.
It's not my main workstation or gaming PC, which is probably why 2GB is plenty comfortable enough.
Light web browsing, printing stuff, word processing, running presentations at my writer's group, occasionally running a Game Boy emulator or playing a video ... never anything particularly demanding. I only use it when I need the portability, because otherwise why would I want to do things hunched over a tiny laptop?
All very light uses, sure ... but for that kind of stuff, it does great. Feels responsive and snappy pretty much all the time, despite being a shitty old Chromebook from 2016.
Now you can have a slow computer that dies in exactly 6 months.
That's alright, you can just buy another one!
Microsoft jumped the shark a while ago. They are more into selling shit any way they can, rather than doing progressive development.
clearly they've optimized their software, right?
Optimized for slop.
Sloptimized!
I've been looking up used laptops lately.
I can get a lenovo carbon from 7-8 years ago with 16Gb RAM for 200€.
I never really considered it outside of the TPM nonsense, but I bet the ram crisis will be responsible for a chunk of people putting Linux on their windows machines.
I just converted an old laptop last night to try it out. But it's more due to every windows update breaking something more so than the ram, but yes my 16 gig system is already struggling in games and I don't need the extra bloat anyway.
I was happy with my 16gb until I went to make a small edit to something in Starfield and saw the system requirements for the toolset needs 32gb just to load the core game's master files. Without even trying to open the 3D graphical view of a map cell or any DLC esms, it easily takes 12-14gb just to have the damn .esm loaded in.
Well, you know what naturally floats on the surface...
A witch?
We found one! May we burn her?
I am ashamed of my toilet humor in front of experienced scholars.
Microsoft can fuck right off! Thank you very much.
Laughs in Raspberry Pi running retro games in Linux on 4GB of RAM.
If your only goal is to run retro games, you can get away with a lot less than that!
cuts ram stick in half