Erm acturally its GNU/Linux/Systemd/pipewire/networkmanager/wayland
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System V forever, Solaris 9 gang reporting in.
I'm doing my part!
I never understood what problem people have with systemd. I have fried my installation more than once, but not even once did I encounter a problem with systemd.
So to all of you systemd haters, explain your hate to me, I'm curious.
Not a hater of systemd per se, sometimes it's annoying but to me it's eh whatever
But the root issue, is it violates the ancient GNU/Linux philosophy of making one tool do one thing and having it do that one thing very well. If you need to do complicated things, then you make multiple tools in a way that you can chain them to accomplish those tasks
It's why the core tools of linux: awk, grep, cat, sort etc are the way that they are
SystemD violates this by being, well, everything. It's now handling networking and daemons and boot and a myriad of other things hence the meme
Whether you see this as a good, bad or neutral thing depends on how closely you follow the tool philosophy
I’m a beginner to intermediate level home desktop user of Linux. I think I represent a small or at least low priority class of people with complaints, but for me it’s that it’s been confusing to learn how the distro is glued together.
I find sometimes things are handled in pre-systemd ways, sometimes with systemd, and sometimes custom scripts. Basically it is mentally hard having something on the system that duplicates functionality and not knowing which I should use to not clash with the vision of the distro maintainers.
Actually this is really a complaint about distro documentation not systemd. If you know of any documentation about the design decisions behind any major distro, I’m interested. Not forums where people piece together how to fix things, or wikis that document findings on how things behave in a distro. Something from the maintainers like, “Here’s are the scripts we added that are above/beyond the base distro (if Debian based) or above/beyond POSIX”. The only place I’ve seen this is Linux From Scratch.
I'll give that whole system the d.
And I wanna emphasize it's a "d" not a "D." I got a lil one, ok?
I want a sysv init + DJB daemontools setup.
I love that lemmy is so techy, this is in c/memes of all places
systemd haters are the antivaxxers of the Linux world. There. I'm sure this statement won't lead to any heated discussion at all.
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The UNIX philosophy is "Everything is a file."
systemd doesn't follow that, with its binary logs and stuff.
Just part of why I keep going back to FreeBSD.
Replace everything is a file with "everything is a byte stream with a file handle" and your there.
There is A LOT of Unix that doesn't stick to the convention of "everything is a text file" and for good reason.
No. It does some things right and many things wrong. Difference in priorities, that's all. Except you often don't have a choice, because of some of the things Systemd does (intentionally) wrong.
Wrong from my view, that is.
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Systemd 'haters' are the people who know better and learned from best-practice.
Systemd 'haters' are no more haters than your parents who told you not to eat candy all day were candy haters.
To any new Linux users, this is a good example of Linux “antivax” mindset.
Actual Linux admins, people who use Linux at scale, people who design things and use Linux to do things disagree.
There is a reason why Redhat, Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch all ship with and recommend systemd as the startup system. ALL as in 100% of large Linux deployments on bare metal use systemd.
If you want to play with startup systems that’s fine there are obscure distros out there for you. Startup system swapping can be a fun hobby.
But don’t be tricked by the very loud but very small Linux “antivaxers” group.
I dislike system D. I actively choose to use it tho because I don't hate myself more then I dislikelt system D.
Give me a better option and I'll use it. Till then I choose to not hate my self.
Linux system administrator here.
Systemd fucking sucks, and it's a very big issue in the Linux world, because it centralizes everything into what should be the simplest process of the OS. It has a huge attack surface (and many recent critical CVEs have happened due to systemd). It forces everything into their unit files, which are very flawed and lack features that previous systems actually had. One of the big reasons the enterprise Linux community is looking to Alpine instead of the more traditional RHEL or Ubuntu Server is exactly the lack of systemd.
Aside from that, on the personal side, systemd has bit me in the ass way more times than any of the more traditional systems. I wish it wasn't so common. It's very rapidly taking over the Linux ecosystem, limiting freedom to choose another init system. And it's lead by a Microsoft employee.
A few issues here.
It's very rapidly taking over the Linux ecosystem, limiting freedom to choose another init system.
Nobody working with Linux professionally in 2026 would say this. Systemd has taken over and has been the defacto choice for a LONG TIME. The last production grade Linux to not use Systemd was rhel 6. Rhel 6 was released in 2010 and full support ended in 2016.
Also no companies are using Alpine for “lack of systemd” Companies aren’t installing alpine Linux on bare metal outside of embedded devices. The appeal of Alpine Linux is containerization or embedded. Alpine Linux lets you release 20mb container images compared to 200mb for even slim Debian images. This is a great thing. But not related to systemd.
If we look at what professionals working with Linux use on bare metal or even on non ephemeral cloud hosts we find RHEL / OEL / Rocky / Alma, Ubuntu LTS, Suse Enterprise, Amazon Linux, Azure Linux, and rarely Debian.
Yes there are outliers but antivax doctors are outliers too.
Notice how I put the "taking over" part in the personal issues. It has long taken over in the enterprise world, as I mentioned with RHEL and Ubuntu Server. Mainly because those are the biggest 2 options, and most other enterprise systems are based on them or try to be like them. The enterprise Linux scene is very homogeneous. Systemd is now taking over consumer Linux, where you historically saw less homogeneous systems.
Alpine Linux has already been used a lot for containers and embedded devices, but companies are starting to see the value in it. It's fast, it's lightweight, it has a small attack surface and it can be used for many things, not just containers. We have full VMs running on Alpine and hosting systems, and they're very appealing because they're reliable, and their images are smaller. Alpine also takes less time to install, and it's more reliable when starting from a generic image than any other systemd distro.
The grand majority of systemd haters have no idea why they hate systemd or what an init system even is, they just know their favorite youtuber told them "systemd bad" and blindly agreed.
Linux tech types told me Linux windows
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