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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

So the Nazis went to USA & are now sneaking back to Europe?

(The above was ofc sarcasm, but the rise of altrightbullshittery in EU is kinda scary.)

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 33 points 6 days ago (5 children)

My personal opinion is that alt-right is rising world-wide because democratic governments forgot that the way we eradicated radical ideologies post-ww2 was through making life of average person bearable. Radical ideologies can't find fertile ground among people who own their own homes, who can support whole family with a single job.

And if current solution to alt-right will be to just start wars, raise taxes and double down on policing... it will only give them more fuel.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Fascism is a top-down ideology. It happens when capitalists feel that ordinary people are close to demanding a more equitable society, and they use it to divide society and assert their own authority. It is often described as a petit-bourgoise ideology because that is where the fascist capitalists find the most fertile ground - people who used to be able to afford a good life, but who can't anymore. Of course, the irony is that the reason they can't afford a good life is because the capitalists are siphoning off more and more of the wealth.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think (the reason to what are you describing, and that I agree with) it's more to do with how in any democracy needs constant work from the people (not once evey few years a popularity contest) & how it's always, at all times naturally threatened by individuals seeking power. If you one too many times don't act in time you get an autocratic gov (that it might take a lot more than voting to defeat).

Basically oblivious demos vs the rich class radicalising political/pubic systems (deregulation etc) so serve their short-term financial gain.

I recently watched this NOVA bit about power struggles in Athens (something I knew about prob 30 years ago):
dailymotion.com/xa7xuec

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Constant work on democracy is not really possible for people who already spend way too much time of the day surviving, working.

And those who don't need to work to survive probably aren't that interested in democracy working...

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 7 points 6 days ago

Yes, that is what I was basically implying.

And that is due to wealth concentration:

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

alt-right is rising world-wide

Not really. China doesn't have such a problem, fascism in China is outlawed from the start. Europe could do the same (we've had precedent of parties being made illegal for being pro-Russian for example) but chooses not to.

the way we eradicated radical ideologies post-ww2 was through making life of average person bearable

"Operation Gladio was the codename for clandestine "stay-behind" operations of armed resistance that were organized by the Western Union (WU; founded in 1948), and subsequently by NATO (formed in 1949), and by the CIA (established in 1947), in collaboration with several European intelligence agencies during the Cold War. [...] According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries and to support anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorism who tortured communists and assassinated them."

Funny how we never have intelligence agency campaigns assassinating far-right leaders, capitalism reserves this treatment for lefties.

[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

not a bug, a feature

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think you are mistaken here. While hardship is helping them, it is by no means essential for them to be successful. I think Austria is a good example to prove the case. It was one of the first countries to see the rise of what is nowadays called alt-right, back when it was still very taboo in most European countries. The "Alt-right" has not really changed in Austria but it has become much rarer to be criticized for it or being painted as a country full of Nazis, at least nowadays only hypocrites are still doing that.

Given that we have decades of track record in Austria and at least 2 boom and bust cycles, it draws a clear picture that the ability of "people who own their own homes, who can support whole family with a single job." has a fairly poor correlation with the ups and downs of the FPÖ.

It has much more to do with anti-migration sentiment, independently from actual migration developments (as the FPÖ has been also successful with this in times of relatively low migration) and with a general and not really concrete fear of the future. The FPÖ has imploded twice, both times it had nothing to do with what others did, no matter if isolating the FPÖ, countering its points, trying to copy it, trying to address its points with more moderation or whatever. No, what really hit the FPÖ was its own corruption and lack of integrity but only when the pile of shame got so big that the the country lost billions over it or it got so bad that not even shouting "but the nasty foreigners" could redirect the debate. In both cases, FPÖ voters remembered the scandals for about one election, afterwards it was like it never happened and we were back to step 1.

Of course, nowadays we see how life is rather getting harder, and that does of course help populists that are simply promising whatever anyone wants to hear, but like I said, populists don't require that, they merely benefit from it.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Interesting points, and while I am not convinced that all the far-right needs is just existence of "nasty foreigners", I'd like to thank you for bringing this up.

Especially since the idea of "party going down and imploding under weight of it's own corruption and incompetence" is something that in my country (Poland) happened already to all sides of political spectrum.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They don't the "nasty foreigners" to exist either, they just need the sentiment against them. Why else would that kind of populism also work in places with barely any kind of foreigner in sight?

Of course, imploding under the weight of the own corruption is not unique to the alt-right but it is the one thing that I have seen that brings them down again, not a reduction in migration, not super harsh laws against immigrants, or anything of that kind. I have not seen something else so far. They are fairly immune to reality, and they are getting more immune by the day as their voters are increasingly migrating into their own party echo chambers and shunning any other sources. So who knows, maybe the FPÖ won't implode the next time when the corruption piles up again. Its voters will defend it instead.

[–] sanbdra@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

History keeps showing what happens when a country pushes away its scientists, teachers, and thinkers.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh good, time is still a flat circle.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

That's a common misconception, time is actually Jeremy Bearimy

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I wish it was easier to leave and immigrate. It's actually incredibly arduous to get all the paperwork needed for a passport, work visas, international application, etcetcetc.

Especially if you have family. Especially if you don't have a perfect little life. Needing to get documents or information from shitty relatives.... Try getting birth certs when you don't know where to look. You need that for a passport. Try getting a child a passport when their biofather is an absentee.

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm assuming you're from the US based on your post. If so, you should be able to obtain a copy of your birth certificate online directly from the state you were born in for a small fee. Search online for "(your state) vital records." No shitty relative interaction required.

The passport thing for a child with absentee parents is a bit more difficult but can be done. I believe you need either a notarized affidavit or court order to accompany the child's passport application. Good luck.

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[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Got the musk picture perfect. He looks demented and incredibly stupid

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It legit breaks my heart to hear stories of people like Jane Yang Wu (neuroscientist) and Wang Danhao (semiconductor researcher) killing themselves after facing racially motivated harassment from the government.

When I was young, I had this idealistic dream of getting into science for the benefit of all humanity. Racism has absolutely no place in science. Aside from having no place anywhere, it's such a perversion of the ideals so many people hold. Of course it's also stupid and self defeating because of brain drain.

The US seems to be fully committed to returning to mideval times.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was watching a deep space nine episode about a Holodeck program where a spy character comes up against a super villain.

The super villain had captured the worlds top scientists and was destroying the planet to make a private island where he could and the scientist could start again. It was very Ayn Rand coded and reminded me of Elon Musk and other billionaire Capitalist Fascists ruining the planet.

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[–] SupersonicHail@lemy.lol 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I know it may seem that way, but I think you have too much trust in EU. And I am living in the EU myself.

EU definitely is also playing around with totalitarianism and fascistic tendencies. It's just they're able to get away with it under guise of "think of the children", which happens to actually be widely accepted argumentation in EU, as opposed to the US where you can literally befriend the most well known PDF file and still become the president.

Also, we have lots of doofuses here that legitimately adore the mango man and his crew. I'm really not sure why that would be, but it clearly is (go to any legacy social media and see it for yourself).

I think we're in a stage of global regression of the mind. People starting to believe totalitarianism is necessary. The only country I've heard that actually firmly stands against USA here in EU is Spain.

[–] Amberskin@europe.pub 9 points 6 days ago

The EU is not a single, compact entity. It’s some member states who are playing dangerously with far right forces. Which we must fight to defeat.

But even the proto-fascist Melloni is (by now) far away from the shit Americans have to endure.

[–] magickrock@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate on how you think the EU is "playing around with totalitarianism and fascistic tendencies".

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I cannot believe this question is in good faith. Can you start with providing your own interpretation of what it might mean? This ensures you're not just a sea lion.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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