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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 68 points 1 month ago (7 children)

One thing I always hated about microblogs and their character limits was that it was just enough characters to spout stupid bullshit but never enough to explain to why it's wrong.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

And you can't just be like "Ok I have master's degree in this specific subject" because then the response is inevitably some form of "ok then please provide sources which would allow me to condense 6 years of your education into something I can refute in 6 minutes, and refusing to do so will out you as a liar."

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why interact on an even playing field? Just make like 15 accounts and convince them they have a neurological disorder like a normal human being.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you're explaining, you're loosing.

Introduction to elementary debate, 17th addition. page 1.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago (6 children)

That's fucking idiotic. It's basically formalizing the whole "Whoever talks loudest and proudest wins" instead of "Whoever has the most valid and factual argument wins"

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

It's unfortunately just how things work. Facts only matter to people who care about the truth, and a lot of people don't.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

George Will on Donald Trump and Twitter.

"It's perfect for him, because he can encapsulate everything he knows into 140 characters."

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[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Gish galloping is a well known argumentative technique to avoid scrutiny. It works so well, that now the US government is using a version of it to destroy the government at a rapid pace.

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[–] CallMeAl@piefed.zip 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The common pattern I see often is that they simply refuse to address or even acknowledge your points and instead just spout even more bullshit. Once I see that, I just block and move on.

I have no time for intellectually dishonest people.

[–] godzillabacter@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

"Never argue with stupid people because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." George Carlin

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So often it's me typing out a big old comment. Realizing I can preempt some nuance to help the conversation. Thinking of a dozen more little nitpicks that might happen and realizing it's just not worth it and it's really the idiocy of the argument that's making it so hard to explain myself.

[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You encountered Brandolini's Law aka the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullshit than it takes to produce it.

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[–] fum@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I met a guy in a sauna the other day who started preaching to me and saying that he doesn't believe in science because it contradicts the bible story of creation.

I just had nothing to say to this man. His perception of reality is so far off base that I cannot comprehend his thought processes.

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[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

There are some people who have just been filled with so much wrong information over the course of their life that it's impossible to reach them. Anything you say to them will have a keyword that puts their guard up, any fact you share would be fake news. It's like their brains have been encrypted with the propaganda and hate. It's pavlovian. I try to recognize it in myself and maintain an open mind but it's hard.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Now imagine that they're your parents.

It's fucking awful.

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[–] axh@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In science there is an answer "you are not even wrong" which is a polite way of saying that wat you said makes so little sense, that it cannot even be disproven.

[–] JohnSmith@feddit.uk 12 points 1 month ago

Originally used by Wolfgan Pauli, I believe. He also said “I don't mind your thinking slowly; I mind your publishing faster than you think.”

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[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I used to work with people who would smoke whatever weed their friend gave them but wouldn't get the covid vaccine because "you don't know what's in it"

[–] Matombo@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

"Right extremists are defending Democracy"

Just 2 weeks ago and I still haven't recovered from hearing that in person.

this could be because they understand "democracy" completely differently, though honestly it's probably just a cover for "our way of life" or "our interests"

like when the US goes to the middle east to spread "democracy", they're not actually spreading a better quality of life for the people, just violence and bloodshed. could be that your acquaintance meant it in that way.

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[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

MAGAs. Sometimes I don't even debate them, I ignore them and talk about them as if they weren't there, make fun of their arguments, laugh at them, mock them, just generally bully them, without even addressing them directly. They really hate that.

MAGAs and Anti-Vaxxers are about the only acceptable bullying targets, and they should be bullied as viciously and as relentlessly as possible. The damage they have done is incalculable, they deserve it.

[–] Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've yet to encounter either on Lemmy.

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[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I see you have met my in-laws. This isn't just some boomer humor, they have truly transcended their Fox News addicted roots and now get really angry about aliens, chemtrails, and all sorts of bullshit.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Yes, I block them, after I make sure that they're insistent on being disingenuous, and not merely misinformed.

Related: Pretty sure I've blocked most of the .world moderators/admins at this point.

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[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago

7/10 ppl online.

But w lemme its still 7/10....but there's obly like 10 users so I can handle it.

[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (14 children)

online arguments never change minds, they only serve to galvanize each persons prior beliefs

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 15 points 1 month ago

Its not about changing your opponent's mind. It's about the people reading along. You aren't talking to your opponent. You're talking to the audience you share with that opponent. Never forget that.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago

False. I was deeply religious growing up but can remember the exact "debate" with an online athiest that planted the doubts and lead to my deconversion.

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[–] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Went to the UK and the director was shitting on vegans. I said, "you can hate them but at least they're good for climate change" (I ignored mentioning I was a vegan in the past). Holy fuck, non stop verbal diarrhea. He said that global warming isn't true because scientists have agendas. Global warming is when seasons change (I think he was being funny or facetious about that). He also said eating meat had some carbon in their bones and that's good for the earth or some shit.

I wasn't able to get a word in. I did eventually say that his definition of climate change would be agreed by no one. Then he came at me again and eventually ended it with "well, you started it".

I said, "yes and let's end it and move on"

He did not and then said more random shit.

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with an idiot.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

In my wise old age I don't waste time on fools. I no longer have the patience. I used to try to talk them out of whatever stupidity they're peddling and it was rarely successful. Not worth the effort.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Brandolini's law (or the bullshit asymmetry principle) is an Internet adage coined in 2013 by Italian programmer Alberto Brandolini. It compares the considerable effort of debunking misinformation to the relative ease of creating it in the first place. The adage states:

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.[1][2]

The challenge of refuting bullshit does not come just from its time-consuming nature, but also from the challenge of defying and confronting one's community.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I've never tried interacting with myself like that.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I try not to argue with people on the internet. Its a complete waste or time and im actually surprised by how many people do it.

I dont think you can change anyones mind with comments.

[–] pieberry@lemmy.today 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My mind has been changed by comments on here.

People can be quite informative, patient, and empathetic. They can write eloquently and persuasively. I'm glad for those people who have helped me change my mind on topics where my view was wrong because of my ignorance or flawed logic.

But in all honesty, I probably would have been better served by in-person public discourse on those topics instead of spending my time reading a bunch of takes from strangers on the internet. In person, you (usually) know everyone participating is real. You can gauge their sincerity by their tone & inflection, facial cues, and body language.

While my mind has been changed by people on here commenting, I still would much rather step away from the internet and talk to people face to face about the topics that effect us the most.

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I live in rual northern Nevada and everyone here is hardcore brainwashed republicans. I used to try to correct them when they said dumb shit but it just made me look stupid, so now I just watch and listen to there ramblings. It’s more entertaining for me and less of a headache.

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[–] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Yes, i have meet a person before. I have also commented on the internet.

[–] Truthtwopower@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Every maga I come across. Just a bag full of excuses for pedophiles.

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[–] Bitflip@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Its unethical to have a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.

[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The denominator is divisible by the numerator.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure. Charlie Kirk was a fantastic example.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

That fact that there is a term for it is just as depressing.

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