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[–] cravl@slrpnk.net 111 points 3 months ago (3 children)

But also, don't think you have to do all the work yourself. I think we very often underestimate the importance of being the one that simply plants the seed. Of course the difficulty is that usually we can't tell if said seed has actually been planted, so it feels like a waste of energy.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 86 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Knowing how to plant the seed is crucial too.

The best way I've found is to just ask questions like you don't understand the topic but are interested in learning more. Their logic is going to have holes, and you want to guide them into stumbling into one.

The hard part is asking probing questions without sounding like you're trying to pull a "gotcha".

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Knowing how to plant the seed is crucial too.

I heard you just put your thingie in her woo-hoo bag and then you plip plap until you both yeehaw.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for using proper medical terms!

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Of course. I am, after all, Jesus; I know the best medical terms – tremendous terms.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

According to everybody: "We've never known anyone with better medical terms, just amazing stuff"

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They come up to me – great people, smart people – and they come up and they tell me: "Mr. Technician, sir, we're so impressed with your terminology. Everybody's talking about it. China's talking – " they don't have very good doctors over there, folks, so they come to me for advice.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Plap plip but otherwise perfect.

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[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I’ve tried planting the seed a few times with people who voluntarily wiretap their own house with an Alexa. Each time they’ve picked it up and ran further with it, like “Oh I know! If I mention seat belt covers, suddenly amazon is recommending a bunch of seat belt covers in my home page!” No thoughts at all of doing anything with this conclusion.

I’ve also witnessed planting the seed working in plenty of other scenarios, just thought this particular fumble was common and particularly funny.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, it's really hard to get lay people to understand infosec issues. I had to create a separate VLAN for my wife because she couldn't tolerate being behind a VPN or pihole because she wants to click on sponsored ads on Google.

And don't get me started on how she feels about the fact that I password protect all. She knows my password, but still thinks I'm hiding something.

But I work in InfoSec, so of course I'm hiding everything. Just not from her.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, too many people think anyone who cares about data security needs to get their hard drives checked.

Fundamentally, just completely antithetical to the principles of constitutional democracy, basic freedoms and human rights.

"Everyone else lets me walk over their rights, so if you maintain your own then you must have something to hide, and I will use that as justification to transgress them!" It's so fucked up...

I know you're just talking about your wife, but the same thing applies to corporations, adware, data brokers, and governments.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I like to ask the "I have nothing to hide" people if I can go paw through their underwear drawer.

I mean, most everyone wears it, so it's not like it's something to hide, right?

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, it would go right over their heads and they would just call you a creep, reinforcing their belief that you should be under constant surveillance...

And they'd probably go and put a ring camera in their bedroom... you know, for... privacy...

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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People actually click those? That's horrifying.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I went to Lowe's a couple of months ago and that night on Amazon I got recommendations for drill bits and cabinet door pulls. The weird thing was that I did buy some drill bits at Lowe's but I just looked at cabinet pulls there. I'm guessing my phone was linked to in-store footage and AI noted where in the store I stopped to look at stuff. As a kid I used to look forward to living in the future, now I kinda regret it.

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[–] Jaderick@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Basically the Socratic method

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Me: This is a seed.

Them: "No, fuck you."

Me: This continues to be a seed.

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[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All day every day. My dad was a construction worker and would only have a use for books if he needed to start a fire. I won't try to bend the three braincells that somehow survived a lifetime of alcoholism into shape.

On his tombstone it shall say "he died as he lived, an idiot."

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"We didn't have 'neurodivergent' people when i was young" he said, cradling his beer bottle.

[–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 10 points 3 months ago

While gambling away his money

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 38 points 3 months ago (6 children)

At work, the team isn't very good at python. They're mostly SQL people. Which is fine. I'm happy to mentor and guide.

The product lady said to me "can you write a guide on confluence about how to do python good?"

I'm like, people write whole published books about that you gotta pay money for. I'm not going to bang out a couple paragraphs and code blocks and suddenly people are heavy weights.

I wrote something anyway because I don't want to further irritate the product lady.

[–] Drekaridill@lemmy.wtf 27 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I was a TA in a class that expected knowledge of C. A lot of students who had only ever used Python asked if I could ring them up to speed. One student even asked if he could write it in Python and then I could "just translate it over"

[–] dwemthy@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just add semi colons and brackets, right?

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just put a bunch of asterisks everywhere.

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[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago

It's rather trivial to translate Python to C:

$ cat << EOF > ./shitpost.c && gcc -O2 -o ./shitpost ./shitpost.c && ./shitpost
#include <stdlib.h>

int main(int argc, char** argv) {
    system("python3 -c \\"print(\\\\\\"Hello, World!\\\\\\")\\"");
    return 0;
}
EOF
Hello, World!

My C is a bit rusty though, sorry.

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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (5 children)

...I don't like that comma

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 months ago

You can't fix this person's entire educational history.

[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What about an opening single quotation mark () being used instead of an apostrophe ()?

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[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

My best friend recently told me :

"Did you see the image of the original moon landing ? It looks so so fake"

I was shocked. An engineer with supposedly a scientific background was starting to take on conspiracy theories.

I just said that the moon landing was not fake and that it would have been impossible to fake something on this scale and that there was plenty of documentation about the Apollo mission online.

But I feel sad because it's obvious his social network interactions online are pushing him toward very toxic content.

[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It kinda does look fake especially for then. But it also was unlike anything ever done before using technology basically at science fiction level for the 60s. It looks like fiction because it was so advanced for the time it was borderline science fiction. Still amazing evertime I think about it.

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[–] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The best thing you can do in these situations is to ask a critically reflective question for them to sit with. You can and never have been able to change someone’s mind just like that. What you can is be part of the web of critical thoughts that help them towards thinking critically about their idea.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Yea they’re looking for agreements to help lock in the idea. The algorithms don’t ever have anyone critically questioning them on their little podcasts.

So Be the critical question asker that they forgot to be before buying the idea.

Be Columbo. ‘Oh before I forget Just one last question…’

Loved Peter falk in that show.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I like to just plant a little seed in moments like this. Even if you just feign ignorance and ask a Socratic question or two... Get their little grey cells working in their sleep maybe. You never know

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 6 points 3 months ago

Might as well try it. The worst that'll happen is an idiot will stop talking to you about idiot things.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's rare to find people who are actually interested in learning anything, most will just parrot something they've heard in passing or rely on gut feeling, and if your fact goes against their made up assumption then they will deny what you say rather than look it up and learn, because being seen to not know something hurts their feelings.

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[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Hits me every time. I may know I am right and the other person is wrong, but the amount of re-education needed for them to realize it - undoable for me

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

We don't always have the time and some ideas are too complex.

But this is what good teachers are good at. You need to relate to your student before you can teach them anything.

"Anyone who tries to make a distinction between education and entertainment doesn't know the first thing about either." -Marshall Macluhan.

People are not entertained by "you are wrong I am right." Literally nobody is. There's an art to teaching.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

It's fucking wild the amount of right wingers I run into that worship this dude. Like dude, you know he is left AF right?

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I heard in a pobcast he's vegetarian, too.

edit: A pobcast isn't a thing. But it should be.

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You and the guy you're arguing with feel the same way.

One or both of you is wrong.

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[–] zeejoo@thelemmy.club 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The entirety of .ml in a nutshell. They even proudly label themselves tankies but if you ask them if they support killing civilians in the Hungarian and Czechoslovakian uprisings, they have no idea what you're talking about. Genocide denying bootlickers the lot.

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[–] Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago (8 children)

When I was quite a bit younger I used to argue against young Earth creationists online. Eventually I came to mostly the same conclusion: there's just so much wrong with everything they believe, there's nowhere to even begin taking it all apart. No amount of reason will cut through their faith.

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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

They think the same.

[–] JuliaSuraez@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

That moment when you realize it’s not a debate, it’s a lifetime project 😭

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yeah. They don’t want to be fixed?

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Me when some dumb MF says I’m wrong, when they clearly lack the mental capacity to understand the issue at hand:

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