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this post was submitted on 11 Apr 2026
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Thats not a car from the 90s.
Yes!
Finally a nuanced take in this community.
Cars wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t so oversized
Cars wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t so oversized
And if there weren't so many of them.
No. Fuck cars.
“Fuck cars”, like “ACAB”, is often a quick tagline to a problem people understand is more nuanced. I don’t think so many people here would literally like all cars in existence to be crushed in a heap.
I'd like that. Take however much chaos or inefficiency you think that day would cause, now imagine centuries of climate change.
Cars also have become bigger because of safety standards and regulations. Like even small cars like a Volkswagen Polo have become larger than their 80’s/90’s counterparts while the interior space didn’t increase that much.
Mazda MX-5/Miata current generation is about the same size (i think 5cm or so longer) as the original with modern safety features, it's possible to keep the footprint small
Still they could be smaller than they are now even with higher security requirements. Almost nobody needs a jeep, suv and van. Get some small cars that meet your requirements (besides compensating your erectile disfunction).
I suspect you and I are saying "fuck cars" for very different reasons
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Sight. Unzip.
Sooo... Minivans?
I do like my crumple zones, but would like modern cars to downsize like they did in the malaise era.
I first read "Dutch SUV's" and thought aww that's a cute SUV
The Nethercar
This is a nice thought, but if that older car hit a wall at the same rapid speed as any of those modern cars, everyone in it dies while the people in the modern car walk.
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It was always an american disease from my perspective. But it slowly infected Europe. Now every goddamn household drives a fucking huge ass minibus/truck/Fucking Hummer sized family wagon to work.
The worst part is when they take up so much parking space that the lots next to them are practically unusable because they fuck you, I needed this bigass milonstertruck for casual commotion.
When I was a kid, me and some buddies went to a monster truck show. We all were desperate to drive one someday.
Well, I guess that day has come for most of us but me. I hate them now.
I saw a 1980s Honda Civic on the road the other day and it made me so happy. I don't even love that model — the Prelude was the better small car, but I loved the Accord. Still, seeing something from the mid-to-late 1980s (I think they all got a little chonkier in 1988, so this would have been older than that) made me smile. Those cars were good on gas, too.
I mean they were built for the 70's gas crunch, it makes sense they were good on gas. The SUVslop and TruckSlop we see today is largely emissions control dodging, feature carcinization, alongside a healthy dose of Jevons Paradox. Reject modern car design, demand smaller cars.
This is part of why I was hoping the conflict in Iran would keep ballooning gas prices, we got so many small cars and creative approaches to save gas out of the 1970s oil crisis, and a new oil crisis could absolutely do the same thing again, except now a lot of that technology that companies were experimenting with in the 70s is far more viable, so just that small push of a couple of years of oil crisis (honestly just needs to be >$4/gallon from what I've seen) could easily push oversized vehicles off a cliff and usher in the bike revolution that New York, London and Paris have been experiencing across the entire US
Friend of mine always buys Honda, starting in the 1980’s. At the time it was an Accord and civics were tiny, but the consistent choice made it easy to watch it grow. At some point, I think early 2000’s, he switched to Civics, because they were bigger than his original Accord
I used to own a tiny little turbo Sprint (roughly 1600lbs), absolutely loved that car... reliable, amazing on fuel, fit virtually anywhere, but it felt so dangerous driving around when everything else on the road was at minimum two to three times its size.
Yeah around here the little 90s car would look even more out of place since most people are driving lifted pickups that they are too out of shape to even lift anything into to haul. Guess what country I live in! :D
I hate the huge SUVs you see all over the roads, I have a 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV hatchback, and around here the Kia EV9 is really popular.
While not as large as the stupid Ford F-150s, the EV9 is fucking huge.
The bonnet of an EV9 reaches almost up to my Leon's roof:
https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/seat-leon-2020-5-door-hatchback-vs-kia-ev9-2023-suv/
It should be illegal to have a car with the headlight at the eye level of a driver of a standard WV Golf type car.
WV
Ah, the Wolksvagen.
I recently inherited an older Toyota Sienna and it's made me realize the current crop of 3 row SUVs and gigantic trucks is mostly sold to people who would absolutely love a minivan but just don't know it.
- I've got more cargo space than any truck I pass on the road made in this century
- I can fit my entire family plus drag along multiple friends and still have space for everyone's bags
- I can stand and walk through the interior if desired, even climbing to the far back from the front seat
- the sliding doors mean you can get in and out of the vehicle from any parking spot without a door in the way
- it's got a turn radius so short that I can do a full U-turn without reversing on any road or parking lot
- the high seat+low nose means I can nussle up within inches of a vehicle in front of me and still see the bumper
- the engine is has enough power to be comparable to some small locomotives.
I would never have bought a minivan on account of the gas milage (~20mpg just ain't great, and filling up the 25 gallon tank every week hurts the pocket book way more than my crossover that I got before I knew snow tires were a thing) but holy crap having this much space for people/stuff is incredible and I thoroughly enjoy playing bus/truck with it for all of my friends and family. For anyone who's considered a truck/3-row SUV to be a requirement, they need to do themselves a favor and try out a minivan
Trouble is, trucks are considered cool. Vans aren’t.
my work have a Hilux, it’s horrible to drive, it’s like being on a boat.
...minivans are fantastic purpose-designed suburban utility vehicles; crossover SUVs are small-dick-energy rejection of suburban identity...
Like I said, I got the crossover before I understood what actually gets you safely across unplowed roads and unpaved farm driveways in the winter, but I at least knew just enough that I went for a crossover and not some disgusting oversized SUV or truck like plenty of other folks around me go for.
Now that it's been totaled (cosmetically) by hail damage it's simply not fiscally reasonable to replace it until it's entirely worn out so that's just a past decision that I'm going to have to live with for the next decade or so
...oh i'm not giving you a hard time, especially these days when most manufacturers have discontinued cars entirely to offer only crossovers or trucks; i'm just pointing out how stupidly the market evolved over the past three decades, largely in reaction to the success of the minivan...
...what's particularly ironic is that the minivan's whirlwind success was driven by a similar backlash against station wagons, and now modern crossovers have essentially evolved into overwrought bloated wagons...
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A thousand times this.
You used to look through the car in front of you to see the traffic in front of that car
To be fair, those cars with huge windows and great visibility handled rollover accidents by crushing the heads and necks of everyone in them.
Everyone driving SUVs to get to the office is dumb, but we don't want to go back to the days where the passenger cabin is the primary crumple zone either.
I remember being annoyed by a noticeable increase in the diameter of the cabin pillars of new cars that happened in the mid-late 00’s until I found out it’s because before then rollover protection was akin to prayer and new standards were the culprit for the change. Never complained about the reduced visibility since.
A young lady I worked with for a while was in a wreck years ago, before I met her, that resulted in a rollover in an older vehicle. It absolutely flattened the top of the cabin and pinned her inside with a badly shattered femur. From memory she said it was 4 hours before someone found her. Frankly; fuck that. Give me a new car with a bunch of safety considerations, thanks.
The factory window tint that's now standard is also incredible for making getting into a parked car on a hot day so much more bearable
Ditch cars
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