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Father of 18-year-old fatally shot by Ohio police charged with hitting and killing deputy with car (www.nbcnews.com)

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[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“Let me be very direct: We cannot allow individuals to flee from officers with a loaded firearm aimed at them,” she said. “When this happens, the outcome is almost always tragic. No one wins, and everyone involved is affected.”

Absolutely disgusting mindset for the police to operate in and it should be a condemnation of them, not an excuse for killing a fleeing person merely suspected of committing a property crime.

Armed gang murders member of the public (with the full intention of “investigating” themselves and finding they did nothing wrong), is shocked that public would kill one of their own, and expects the public to shed tears for their fellow gang member (who was really a great guy… every other gang member loved him).

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so the kid, unarmed, was shot in the back because he didn't submit?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The kid was armed and pointing it at the cops.

But he also wasn't shooting at them, he was running away. In that scenario, you don't shoot him, because even if he starts shooting he ain't gonna hit shit.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I try to go to the gun range every two months or so. I can tell you, with adrenaline and panic, idk if I'd hit 50% and thats standing still. Which is scary because who knows what you'll hit. That's why I go to the range, to be good enough. Running I wouldn't even bother shooting.

Cops are definitely not going to the range enough.

politifact on if cops hit 30%

2019 Miramar shootout(the florida UPS shootout)

In 2024, important details were finally revealed, a total of 20 officers from 4 different agencies fired upwards of 221 bullets in a span of 25 seconds, Hill was struck 40 times, meanwhile Alexander shot himself, Ordonez was struck 12 times, and the 5 bullets that stayed in his body were all traced to police weapons, and Cutshaw was struck once in the back of the head, which was also traced back to police.

Four people were killed in the shootout. Both robbery suspects, Lamar Alexander, and Ronnie Jerome Hill, both 41, were killed by police. The hijacked UPS driver, Frank Ordonez, 27, and bystander Richard Cutshaw, 70, were also both killed in the shootout;[6] A female store employee was shot and wounded in the initial robbery.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Police claim "kid was armed and pointing it at the cops." Cops are famous for making up bullshit to justify their murders after the fact.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if that was true, though, it doesn't justify it.

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[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

cops are trained to shout "he's got a gun" after opening fire regardless because eyewitnesses won't remember the order of events and back them up

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Destroy the Pigs.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The guy should get off scott free due to Qualified Immunity. Just like the cops.

[–] Davin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The cop was armed and was already known to shoot someone in the back, the father was afraid for his life and had to make a split second decision.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That cop was no angel

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

scott free

scot free

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the kind of thing people do when they fully believe that there is no path to justice. If we ever held cops accountable, this wouldn't have happened.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 0 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Everyone exploding at this, but this headline seems written to stir controversy, and people don't seem to be reading the article.

Two key facts:

It's reported that the 18 year old who was shot and killed was pointing a firearm with an extended magazine at officers when he was shot (though yes, he was running away, so yes, it could have been handled better, but there are thousands of more cut and dry cases to be mad about).
The deputy who was killed may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened

[–] Trabic@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Things police claim" =|= "Facts"

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In fact, more often than not, things cops claim are lies. Because they are trained to lie about everything.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I really don't think either of those facts mattered to dad. I think what matters is the reality that police are so rarely held accountable in even those cut and dry cases that there is no perception of justice at all.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Key "facts" about your "key facts":

The cop that shot him CLAIMS the kid pointed the gun at him, but the video evidence contradicts that. In fact, he was prompted to shoot the moment he exited his vehicle by other cops hollering "He's got a gun!" He relied on their statements, not his own experience of seeing the gun.

The fact that the kid had a gun is automatically in dispute. ALL cops have throwaway guns to be used in exactly this sort of a case. The video does not show him with a gun, but one was on him when he was found? Highly suspicious.

This kid stole a car, which was recovered. That is not a death penalty situation. Nobody should be murdered over an insured car.

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[–] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Coppers should be taught de-escalation, but rarely are, especially in the USA based on what I see.

[–] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 0 points 1 year ago

You think you're being reasonable, but you've got rose tinted glasses on

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago

key facts:

"reported that" "may have"

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The second point, I don't really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you're responsible for your "brothers" dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I dunno. I'm American, and I sure don't want the world blaming me for what trump is doing. But I do share your frustration in general.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It'll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.

However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They're choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I'm sure they'd fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that's fine. They need to learn they can't do what they're doing, and they aren't going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn't handling it.

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently qualified immunity doesn't make you immune to bumpers.

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Make cops ground beef again

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[–] GenerationII@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Hey, that cop just became a good cop.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago

Cops who shoot people who aren’t shooting at them and who haven’t been involved in a violent crime deserve to die too.

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