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Well, I have to commend them on their compassion. I'm not sure I would have done the same; and that's being an epileptic myself...
What stayed with Amundson most, she said, was not the adrenaline of the moment but the realization that came while she was holding the agent’s head in her hands and keeping his airway open.
“I was hit so hard with the fact that this man would not do this for me,” she said.
Her mind went immediately to Renee Good.
I feel the same way. I got to the part where she unholstered his gun and wondered to myself if I would have that same grace.
It's been interesting to see the debate back and fourth over whether this was the right move. The moral 'you should help another human being in need' vs the logical 'don't aid the 'enemy', one less person against you+family'...
It's such a difficult decision; knowing they wouldn't help you if roles were reversed, and may even blame you if he doesn't pull through. With 12h to think sbout it; I still don't know which direction I'd go.
I do have to wonder what story the Administration is going to spin to vilify them anyway...
I mostly was thinking about it practically — it’s a pretty straightforward case to make that a federal agent feared for his life because someone handled their service weapon and that justified the use of lethal force, even by a more law-abiding federal agency during a more liberal administration.
I couldn't. Not just because it's ICE, but because if I didn't manage to save him I know I'd be charged with murder.
Saving him direcrly harms his victims. By saving him you become culpable.
Indirectly*
We've lost "literally" already.
I mean even from a purely transactional perspective, they did the best thing they could have done in that moment.
If they let him die, a brownshirt might have taken out their frustration on them.
If they shot an ICE agent and ran, they wouldn't have gotten that far and would have gotten the attention of the top Trump ghouls.
Whereas, by saving his life, they got better treatment, convinced a few brownshirts of the value of humanity, and a PR win for the anti-ICE coalition.
You're not wrong. I'm only saying what my personal thought would have been.
No. Do not help them. Ever. Let them watch as their fellow brown shirt convulses, until he doesn’t.
They let Good die, even going so far as to bar a medical professional from rendering aid.
The humane thing to do is let them suffer in their final moments. Let’s hope more agents have “medical episodes”.
This was the right move. One agent doesn't make a material difference, letting him die wouldn't have impeded ICE one bit. In the bigger picture, it has more of an impact as a story.
As a story it could have been an agent dying due to a medical emergency that no one could have done anything about.
This action changes it so that the detainees were caring and compassion and competent. By contrast, it exposes the agencies lack of training, falling to recognize the situation and not knowing what to do and letting detainees have control of the firearm. They showed ICE as incompetent and targetting obviously good folk.
On a smaller scale, it spares them. Who knows, maybe this event gives some of the agents involved some pause about how bad they are being.
No
That sounds like a great storyline, for a cop drama on CBS. One less agent is a net positive, no matter which way you look at it.
Who’s to say that that particular agent doesn’t later blind a protester? Or worse, kill one? Or maybe he just abducts a 5 year, and puts them on a plane to Louisiana?
They just killed another person in Minneapolis. But yeah, let’s patch up the brown shirts.
There is no logical reason to give aid or comfort to the enemy. These aren’t protesters that say mean things that we don’t like. They are a secret police, and their boot’s are on the neck’s of every person who lives in this country.
If you want to start your own club that goes around and makes sure that your oppressors are comfortable in their crusade against liberty, go right on ahead.
They don't acknowledge the humanity of others, so why should they expect those without humanity to show any in return?
All ICE agents are pure evil and deserve death. There are no good ICE agents. Period. Feel free to disagree with me, but you'll never change my mind.
No, you're 100% correct.
That is horrible situation to placed in. Helping save someone who is actively trying to ruin your life and hurt you. They did the right thing, but there must be little satisfaction in helping these oppressors.
They didn’t do the right thing though. We are not in a peacetime situation where we are extending olive branches to the terrorists, in hopes of showing them our humanity. They. Do. Not. Care.
The only good fascist is the one with blue lips.
Sure. But we aren't them. We do care. We have humanity.
Let's not sacrifice that and lower ourselves to their level.
No. This is why democrats fail. They are not willing to do what needs to be done, to say what needs to be said, for fear of their farts not smelling like roses.
Take your high road, write a letter, and slam the nazi’s in a clever tweet.
Like... I get it... But at the same time the moment we give up our humanity we are not better than they are.
high road = dead end
What high road?
I am talking about people having a human moment during a medical emergency.
Maybe you could watch someone die in front of you, but I couldn't.
I could kill someone if I needed to but there is a difference in defending yourself when you are in mortal danger and letting someone die.
If we become the monsters they think we are, then we won't fix society, we will guarantee the schizm poisons the next generation when the battle is over.
ice is an enemy to which we can give no quarter. they have declared that they can came into our houses, any one of us, with no warrant, no proceedure, nothing but what they decide based on a list of criteria they will not make public, and kidnap us.
fuck ice. they are destroying families and communities, they are using children as ‘bait’ .
they cannot be saved.
let them bleed out.
They have proven time and time again that they don’t care about humanity. They don’t care about “doing what’s right”. There is no scorecard here. We’re to the point where they are maiming and murdering in the streets.
Just think for one second here, all of the terrible videos we’ve seen are a snowflake on top of the iceberg that is their daily crimes and abuses.
If you see an injured pig, be sure to piss on it before you pass it by.
Amundson, a kindergarten teacher who has received CPR and first-aid training through school emergency planning, moved without hesitation once the cuffs came off.
Good to hear we're still only arresting the violent criminals and rapists. /s
I think I would also help the enemy, but I don't blame anyone if they won't.
It's fine to provide first aid to enemy combatants as long as they are imprisoned until the war is over.
Nah, I'd let him twitch. That's what he'd do, except he'd laugh, too.
She Helped an ICE Agent? TERRORIST!
-Kristi Noem!
"We believe the women used a combination of siren song and/or witchcraft to induce the seizure"
Shoulda let the bastard die...
You should know that you are in no way obliged to render aid to anyone ever.
Some places have "duty to rescue" laws.
My United States is showing. Even then, I just learned that Louisiana has such a law.
I would definitely not have done that.
It's the right thing to do, but I don't think God appreciates his work being shit on like that
"I did what I did because all life is sacred. But when the object of your actions does not share that belief.. I fear I have served the present by sacrificing the future." -Lennier, Babylon 5
Women like this are the reason why I still have faith in humanity. They still have the humanity that Ice has lost long ago
One wonders what that ice member is going tondo once he leaves the hospital. Will he see the error of his way? Will he visit the women he arrested and who then saved his life? Will he continue working for the SS?
They'll probably charge them with assault.