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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you've lost a war you weren't even fighting in. Fuck yeah!

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lose away bozo, you got played

[–] BlueMagaChud@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

will the neonazis kill him right away or wait til he has been living in Miami for awhile?

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

My money's on 'on the airstrip trying to flee'.

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Gaddafi's is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.

Nukes are why the DPRK hasn't been invaded again, and why it hasn't ended up Libya is now.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ukraine rely on a lot more than just the USA. But what else can they do? It's either that or they get annexed.

Their are a small country versus a world power.

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The region doesn't rely on the US, the post-2014 fascist government that doesn't care about the wishes of eastern Ukrainians does.

There wasn't a problem here until the US-backed coup in 2014 and subsequent killing of eastern Ukrainians and Crimeans (if you're wondering why Crimeans overwhelmingly support Russia) by the coup gov for resisting, which also doesn't respect the Minsk agreements to stay neutral.

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

NATO is seeking to take control of decision-making powers on future aid packages — normally led by the US — in an effort to limit the impact of a potential second Donald Trump presidency on the ongoing conflict.

This is wild. It's bad enough that the US president has the power to start wars wherever he wants with no congressional approval. But now they're trying to make it so that the only people with the authority to withdraw from a conflict are unelected NATO officials accountable to no one.

Dronies will support this, because they love endless war across the globe and want to remove any potential for popular support to achieve peace.

[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

People in this thread clearly don't understand what the implications are. There is a very clear danger of war on the European continent that will involve NATO and by proxy the US. Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option. Europe is not going to just let Ukraine fall and will ramp up their involvement. We already have France willing to send troops.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Ok genocidaire

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option

One who consider a proxy war where thousand people die and a country get destroyed the "cheapest option" tells you how much they are in bad faith. For politicians your life is indeed cheap and something they can trash away for profits

[–] Ebber@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So no aid to Ukraine and show Russia that it can indeed start wars where thousands die and destroy countries, without negative consequences?

[–] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Where are the negative consequences for America? Why can America invade any country it wants and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children but for some reason when Russia does it we have to show them they aren't allowed?

Only America and its allies can start wars and commit genocides?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Classic whataboutism.

Because the US does interventionism, fund far-right politicians, etc., Russia (and China) can do as such, and even more. At least the US doesn't want to "regain it's old lost territories".

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a delicate situation. If a NATO country is sending troops to Ukraine, it will escalate the war into a full blown world war.

We know what happened in both world wars, so there is no good answers here.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The answer is the west won. Presumably a good answer

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Anglo dominance over the world is why the world is ending. Y'all are fucking shit stewards of a planet.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't understand that the only danger of further war is again from US/NATO. Europe is going to let Ukraine fall because it has no choice. France is a laughing stock. Even what they threatened to send could do nothing.

In the case of shells, the problem isn’t money, it’s lack of production capacity. Even the mighty USA, owner of the largest military-industrial complex in the world, can only produce 28,000 rounds of 155mm per month – less than 10pc of what Ukraine needs – and this with its factories on 24-hour operation.

Comment from the Torygrapgh readership:

[–] Smoke@frogdrool.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@LarkinDePark @Alsjemenou because appeasement totally works with dictators and lebensraum

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I honestly don't think Zelensky is a Nazi. He may be an open Nazi collaborator but I think he sees that as a necessity. Dictator yes, but lebensraum? You mean with the breakaways?

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"By proxy" doesn't change the nature of what he is. Collaboration is complicity. If there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Biden frantically sends more aid to israel

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[–] lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The free world loses when Russia wins.

It's pretty much an invitation to China to do the same in Taiwan and an invitation for Russia to start more wars in eastern Europe.....

Helping Ukraine costs money. Not helping Ukraine costs even more.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The free world loses when Russia wins.

I'd pay good money to watch the Anglos crash and burn tbh. Like, PPV amounts of money. At this point it might be the only way to avert climate collapse; if possible at all, and I have no material reason to want to see you propagate or prosper. Die faster; and do a backflip on your way down.

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[–] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

wait, you are not being ironical?

how the fuck do you manage to claim that the west is the free world™ while it is the empire to blame for the largest amount of worldwide suffering in the second half of the twentieth century? It is responsible for countless invasions, sanction regimes and assassinations with the goal of subjugating foreign nations, as well as courting nazis post ww2, like for example people like klaus barbie or wernher von braun, as well as the entire early government of the frg.

your fantasizing about a supposed military threat from the prc to taiwan and from russia to the rest of europe is nothing but pure projection, since you westoids apparently cant imagine someone acting from a different motivation than your own. the prc has time and time again stated that it prefers a peaceful resolution to the taiwan conflict and the province has never officially declared any grade of independence from the mainland, simply being under a different government, the roc.

russia on the other hand has absolutely no reason to start any military conflicts in western europe, something you would know, if you would even try to understand the lead up to the current situation.

your last sentence honestly just sounds like a thinly veiled blood for the blood god.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

The free world 😂 Okay boomer 🇺🇸 🦅

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does the free world also include places America has invaded or bombed?

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Japan, SK, and Germany seem on board with aid to Ukraine... So yes

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Three formerly fascist states join Ukraine thonk

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

"formerly" fuckin lmao

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He would rather a current fascist state join them

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