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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 107 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (25 children)

And to make that happen:

  1. The gilded age made some robber barons insanely rich (though not as rich as the current American oligarchs)
  2. There was a huge economic crash, called the Great Depression, during which the excesses of the rich were incredibly unpopular and the rich felt in real danger
  3. To get out of the Great Depression, the US Government created all kinds of "socialist" programs to help people get back on their feet, strengthen unions, regulate business, make massive investments in US infrastructure, etc.
  4. Right as the Great Depression was ending, WWII began
  5. For a while the US was "neutral", and was manufacturing war materiel for the various countries at war, though mostly for the Allied side. This involved huge amounts of government spending.
  6. Then, a few years after WWII began, the US entered the war, and spending ramped up even more.
  7. Virtually every other modern economy in the world had its infrastructure destroyed during the war. Britain was bombed relentlessly, Germany was flattened, Japan was nuked, France was turned into Rubble, the USSR's factories were destroyed as Germany advanced and partially rebuilt in the middle of nowhere.
  8. The war ended and while every other country was rebuilding their shattered infrastructure, the US infrastructure was running hot and able to supply the world's needs
  9. American workers were massively in demand because it was almost the only remaining industrialized country with intact factories
  10. American workers still retained the massive worker benefits and union membership that was the result of the New Deal economy

So, take that sequence, and for a brief moment a white, male worker in the US could support a family on a blue-collar salary in a way they hadn't ever done before that. Once other countries rebuilt their infrastructure, the US lost that edge. Once American businesses pushed for the roll-back of worker protections, blue-collar workers lost that benefit. Bit, by bit, the world returned to the way it has normally been, where the lowest class barely survives and both parents work hard, while the rich benefit.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 32 points 6 months ago (4 children)

And since then, productivity exploded. Machines and automation everywhere. We are in the age of overconsumption. And value is created at an always acceleratind pace.

But then things started to slow down. But wealth growth can't slow down! It has to grow, always, and always faster. So when "produce more" stopped working, they turned to "produce for cheap".

They started cutting spendings and benefits. But it wasn't enough. And they told western workers that they were no longer competitive. Yes, that plant they're shutting down was making money. But it would make MORE money in China and other third world countries.

And while plants were going away, salaries got stagnant. Wealth was growing again!

But then the growth slowed down again. So they bought governments to get huge subsidies they could funnel in their wealth growth again.

And now plants are "optimal". Wages are low. Govs hand out money. Why is it not working?

Because they impoverished so much the working class that there is no one left to buy the goods they produce.

The problem is obvious to anyone looking: money is needed for the economy to run. If it's all locked up by oligarchs, then it serves no purpose and the economy suffocates. And there is no remote way a handful of people can manage the world's economy. "Trickle down economy" has failed everywhere and everytime it was attempted. So they're terrified. Terrified of the working class, terrified of common good, terrified of common sense.

So to make sure they can keep hoarding whatever is left to get, they turned to fascists and propped them across the world, by controlling medias and flooding social networks.

And here we are: in the age of overproduction and mass poverty combined, with a class of scared oligarchs ready to take the world down with them as long as no one stops their wealth hoarding.

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[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the position of privilege that America occupied globally for the last 75 years minus the last ten or twenty years is not something that's talked about enough in "they" took the American dream from us

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And what that position of privilege cost the rest of the world. For example, Eisenhower was president from '53-'61, is often seen as a great president by Americans, and that decade is seen as a golden age by plenty of Americans (especially boomers).

Outside the US, Eisenhower had Lumumba assassinated in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The replacement they helped install, Mobutu, basically continued the brutal rule and many of the atrocities that had occured in the Congo Free State (death toll as high as 10 million), so that minerals could continue to be extracted. Ultimately this would lead to the first and second congo war and an additional 5 million deaths. Fun fact: a few years ago Tesla/Musk signed a large contract with a company which was formed from a merger of companies including the successor of Compagnie du Katanga. The latter was a concession company that operated in the Congo Free State and is responsible for plenty of the worst atrocities committed during that time. Just in case anyone here thinks colonialism was a long time ago. There's also stuff like the Guatamalan genocide which was a result of the CIA instigated coup of 1954, the 1953 Iranian coup which would ultimately result in Iran becoming an Islamic theocracy, and his signing a deal with Franco which arguably prolonged his rule.

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[–] WallsToTheBalls@lemmynsfw.com 75 points 6 months ago (4 children)

If you were white*

Yuuge detail

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 76 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Even if you weren't. The economic boom of the 20th century gave birth to lots of prosperous minority communities.

Only problem was that if you ever got too prosperous, neighbors might come by to burn the place down.

But a lot of the so-called economic anxiety kicked off by mass migration to California, Texas, and Florida (and to London, Paris, Berlin, St. Petersberg, Beijing, Tokyo, and Mexico City) was the result of war refugees, political dissidents, and victims of a shifting market economy finding real serious economic benefits to relocating inside the fence of one of the world's premier powers. You didn't need to be white to achieve a marked improvement in quality of life, you just needed to be within arm's reach of all the advanced industrial capital and its benefits.

The Two Income Trap that began to rear its head in the 80s/90s was a consequence of housing, higher education debts, and child care costs that prior generations hadn't historically dealt with. One could plausibly argue that the extended adolescence of college demonstrates an overall improved economy, as people are no longer joining the workforce in their teenage years and trying to outproduce a historically high infant mortality rate.

But the benefits of the economy have gone disproportionately to the leisure and professional managerial classes, while the working classes absorb higher debts/rents and defer accessing the industrial improvements until much later in life. It isn't that non-white people never see them. It is simply that they are much older when they finally do and enjoy the benefits for less time, due to higher mortality rates.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The two income family came as a direct result of Nixon's Vietnam spending.

Kennedy's Vietnam policy was containment; we supplied 'military advisors' and propped up the South to appease the French. We were focused on the soviets and Vietnam was a sideshow.

LBJ wanted a massive knock out punch to wipe the Viet Cong out fast. Instead he got a quagmire. Johnson had to print money to pay for the war because he didn't want to raise taxes. Nixon ran as a 'peace candidate' and then doubled down on Johnson's spending. Remember, we were dropping something like a dozen Hiroshimas a day on jungle.

Inflation is getting bad, and then OPEC hits the US with the Oil Boycott. That devastates the US economy. All those cool loft buildings in places like New York's TriBeCa and SoHo? Those were originally small factories. They emptied out because the owners couldn't afford to runt them anymore.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The two income family came as a direct result of Nixon’s Vietnam spending.

That's more complicated, since the Vietnamese War-Time economy was itself a driver of domestic growth. Stagflation by way of the OPEC crisis didn't force people into second jobs so much as it put the breaks on 50s/60s era rapid industrial development and the modernization of the consumer economy. Women in the professional workforce was more a novelty of the 1970s and the Feminist wing of the labor movement. And that's when a woman's college degree began to matter more, women were able to take on personal debt legally, and birth control allowed women to have sex without getting pregnant (thus ending the Baby Boom era).

Had Nixon not dropped billions onto Vietnam, we'd have spent our petrodollars somewhere else. Military Keynesianism wasn't the only kind.

All those cool loft buildings in places like New York’s TriBeCa and SoHo? Those were originally small factories. They emptied out because the owners couldn’t afford to runt them anymore.

They emptied out because businesses transitioned manufacturing outside of the major city centers. Mass transportation innovations allowed more and more labor to be moved across state lines. More of the urban economy became sales/marketing, banking, and bulk shipping. Its not like the jobs disappeared. It isn't even as though these businesses failed. They just migrated closer to the agricultural source material (which - conveniently - was where employers could find cheaper labor).

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 14 points 6 months ago

They emptied out because businesses transitioned manufacturing outside of the major city centers.

The 'transitioned because the price of being in a city was too high. The businesses first moved to the American south where the Unions were weaker, and then overseas. I live in New York and you still hear stories about how fast it happened. "SoHo" was a name dreamed up by the artists who started moving into the empty factories. All the folks who'd been priced out of Greenwich Village started moving in.

Also, Vietnam didn't 'grow' the economy. It was more like steroids. The old steel mills that should have been renovated years before were now running 24/7 to make enough bombs.

When the US mills couldn't produce enough for the Germans and Japanese markets, those countries started building their own plants. These new plants used way less oil than the older American plants, so when the Oil Crisis hit German and Japanese cars became a much better bargain.

If Nixon hadn't been pumping money into the steel industry it might have transitioned to lower cost plants on its own.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 21 points 6 months ago

This is why the GOP hates Unions.

There were plenty of non-white people who got good jobs through Unions.

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[–] LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml 37 points 6 months ago

It's. The. Capitalism.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's so frustrating, your coworkers will be (rightfully) complaining about how the job sucks and how your boss keeps screwing us but the second you ask if they've ever thought of unionization they look at you like you've grown two heads and start spewing bullshit about unions being useless and dues being a waste of money.

It would be one thing if they were apprehensive about it because of the risk of the company union busting and them losing their jobs but they're actively hostile to any suggestion of collective bargaining

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anti union propaganda in full effect on them.

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[–] Shave_MyBeever@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You can blame Reagan for a large part of this, among many other issues.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago

Where's that unlabeled graph of a line going steadily up and then at a point marked "Reagan" everything falls off a cliff?

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[–] definitelynotavampire@piefed.social 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm only in my 30s. My dad supported our family on a high school education. I don't have a college education but I did two different certification programs to work in my field. I'm single with no kids and live alone and I'm still struggling. I don't know how anyone has a family right now. I can't even afford me. I'm so mad that my dad raised an entire family and bought and paid off a house and I can barely pay my damn rent and buy groceries with a better education and job than what he had.

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[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Not to mention how much other stuff was stolen from young people, like how awesome the internet was in the mid-2000's before it got absolutely destroyed by corporations - game consoles that didn't require 35 accounts to play a game ONLINE ONLY and a subscription to EVERYTHING in your life. Sure, it's always been bad (because capitalism) but not THIS bad. And it'll only get worse as the population becomes less tech literate.

Kids just go with it now, and it's really sad, they don't know anything different.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Roseanne was a show in the 80s about a hard-working blue-collar family that was often struggling to get by.

They had a house with a detached garage and 3 kids.

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Another example is Al Bundy in Married With Children. He was a shoe salesman with a stay at home wife and two kids but managed to own a nice home.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

But they joked about money all the time! The struggle!

Oddly enough, they don't joke about that in shows as much anymore. Wonder why?

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[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 23 points 6 months ago

Don't worry. It'll get worse.

[–] AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm actually rather surprised by all of the negative responses to this post. Having lived through part of this period of time (gen-x), I can attest to the accuracy of this. This standard of living or quality of life, or whatever you want to callout absolutely was achievable for most. No, it was not perfect by any means - people did struggle, yes, racial discrimination was worse. Poverty was still there, but none of it was on the scale that we see today. People were NOT beat down and discouraged. Young people got out of high school, found jobs and could rent an apartment on their own. Small towns did not have people sleeping in the woods. Cities had homeless people but it was nowhere near the level we see today. Seriously, not even close. Medical care was much more affordable. If you had insurance, they just paid your doctor's bills without engaging in a protracted fight over copays, out-of-pocket nonsense or other methods of exploiting the fine print of your policy. You just didn't hear about people losing their homes over medical costs.

For a good portion of my childhood, I was raised by a single mom who was able to make rent on a 2 bedroom apartment working a job waiting tables. She was able to later buy a house on a non-union factory job and make payments on a car. One income, one person. We were very much on the lower end of the scale.

I think many of you have been gaslit by the current state of affairs. Everything sucks and seems to actively be getting worse. I really feel bad for the millennial generation and those that followed because the system is rigged, inequality is off the charts and basic living as we knew it is not achievable for a much larger portion of society. It's difficult to overestimate how far we've fallen over the past 40 years.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago

As an "elder millennial", I too, saw this happen. I grew up in a very middle class home. About the only thing we didn't regularly do from the list in the OP, was modest vacations.

My dad was a teacher.

We didn't have anything overly special, but we had what we needed and we were not struggling. I have two siblings, and the entire family was a family of five. My mother did not have a job throughout my childhood and well after my teenage years, and I'm the youngest.

Now, I can't fathom having a kid. I can barely pay to keep myself alive.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago

Those same people also had pensions for life once they retired in their 50s. They also didn't have to pay for health insurance.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You know a sitcom that could realistically contrast the two lifestyles could be interesting

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Al Bundy supported a house full of degeneracy in a shoe salesman's salary.

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[–] edahs@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

My folks got married in the 60s. They bought their first house in the early 70s for 32k. 3 bed / 1 bath house with a big backyard in a decent neighborhood (albeit on a busy street). My mom and dad both worked, but my mom stopped when I was born (early 70s). House was tiny, about 800sq ft. They upgraded in the mid eighties for 120k. Bigger place on a quieter street. Mom was back to working again but we were able to take multiple vacations a year. Camping, Disney, etc. Today, I'm not sure they could do it. Sure they would be making more but the first house? 640k. Thats a 1900% increase. Thats about 6% increase year on year compounded. How has the salary growth been for the same period? 1% - 1.5% compounded yoy (inflation adjusted). Fucking gross.

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

It wasn't even that long ago either. It was still relatively common to have single income households in the 80's when I was born.

My mum wasn't working at all when my older siblings were born, and she only started working when I started preschool.

Also, her minimum wage income boosted my parents savings so much they were able to buy an investment property and drop money into other things.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 months ago (14 children)

All of this was only true of white families.

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I grew up in the 80s. I can’t think of a single minority family that had an income of one and did what was described in the posr. I also grew up in a large city, so this may also be referring to suburbs and more rural areas.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When I was a whipper snapper you could go to the two screen movie theater that got the movies once they left the new theater and watch a double feature matinee for a dollar. But not if you had an onion in your belt.

[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why not? It was the fashion at the time.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

At that point, it became to them as a child yelling "6 7" has come to us.

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[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

For white people in the imperial core

Keep downvoting, sorry the truth hurts that your parents only had those privileges from raping the rest of the world

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago

Now its your fault you can't make ends meet if you don't even have a "side hustle."

Living in cars is now such an accepted lifestyle, that I recently read about a college that was building a multi-level parking lot for students who live in their cars. They could build an affordable living facility, but it's better to normalize living in your car when they are young. And in college. That way, when that college degree that you went $60K in debt for doesn't turn into a real job, and you are working a minimum wage retail job, and door dashing, living in your car will feel perfectly normal.

I saw another post by guy discussing his strategy of living in his car for a few years, so he can save up the money for a house. We used to do stuff like that, too, except we wouldn't live in our car, we'd just get a roommate.

I have no doubt that soon we'll be seeing YouTube videos about couples living in cars, and even raising families in cars. Look how resourceful they are!

And kids today think that's normal.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I was making 15 an hour when Clinton was President, no degree. I had to have roommates, it really wasn't that much money where I lived.

There are something like 40 MILLION workers making less than 17 an hour now.

And for the "but most are teens" crowd, number one they are not mostly teens, and number two teens need to be able to afford housing, transportation, food, and the doctor, like everybody else, and their family needs the money too because minimum wage is freaking seven bucks an hour.

Sorry kids, we need a new ballroom and you would not believe how much gold paint.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Growing up, it was very possible for ONE minimum wage worker to be able to afford a mortgage on a modest home in my city.

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[–] saimen@feddit.org 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah I mean where do you think all these billionaires got their money from?

[–] dontpanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago

*for some demographics

[–] lmagitem@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

The answer to why resides in the way wealth is allocated in society. If you look at the graph of the wealth of the 0.1%, the median income and the economical growth, those three numbers were growing at a steady pace up until the 70~80s. Now our economies are growing at a similar rate but median income plateaued/is decreasing while the wealth of people at the top has skyrocketed.

It's not hard to figure out where all that growth went.

We could still afford such a lifestyle. Or we could learn to share more and end poverty and respect the Earth. But instead we're allowing a small village of cunts to each have more money and power than entire countries.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The Rand Corp issued a report in 2019 on income inequality, and the situation is far worse than most people think. The median salary of $43K in 1975 had increased to only $50K in 2019, while they would have been making $92K if the tax code hadn't been steadily re-written to enrich the wealthy at the cost of the middle class and poor.

In that same time period, the mean income for the top 1% went from $289K to $1.384 million, while they would have been making $630K under the old tax codes.

Thats a 17.4% increase in the lower median, and an increase of 321.6% in the 1% median. Clearly there has been an upwards distribution of wealth at the expense of the middle class since the tax codes started to be re-written in 1974 to favor the top economic tier. The Trickle Down Economics that everyone thought was Ronald Reagan's great idea, was baked into the tax code in 1974.

In addition, the Federal minimum wage was last increased to $7.25 in 2009. Previous to that, it was raised to $5.15 in 1997. The Federal minimum wage was only increased twice in the last 28 years, for a total of a measly $2.10. And yet corporations and their owners SCREAM like their nuts are being carved out by a red hot, dull, rusty spoon at even the mention of a raise in the minimum wage.

When there are threats to raise it every 15 years or so, there are always two responses, as if they are the ONLY possible options - prices will have to go up, or jobs will have to be cut. There is never a mention of the third possible option - that corporations and their owners might have to make a slightly smaller profit. That option is absolutely unthinkable. Unmentionable.

"But less profit means the stock market would be impacted!" is the standard cry. Yes it would, but so what? The stock market hit its recent low in March of 2008, soon after Obama took over the presidency in the midst of a free fall caused by the Bush Economic Crash - about 7500. Today it is over 40,000. Corporations are clearly benefiting in today's economy, even during a global pandemic when millions of American families were facing homelessness and food shortages through no fault of their own. They were the helpless victims of government edicts which forcibly and ruthlessly shut down their only ways to make a living, while doing NOTHING to help them survive because a few rich Republicans are upset that poor people might get more money than they deserve. So they fought to a stalemate over $400 or $600 per week, while their Sociopathic Oligarch slavemasters chuckled smugly while metaphorically lighting their cigars with $100 bills and demanding more corporate welfare.

So what if smaller profits (because workers got paid their value) meant the stock market was only at 20,000, or even 15,000? Those corporations and their stockholders would still be wealthy, but there would be enough money in the treasury to pay for health care for all, college or trade school for every qualified student, to forgive all student loan shark debts, to cover those whose jobs have been essentially declared illegal because of the pandemic, and more. Sure, corporations would have to live with less profit, but instead of that money being tied up in enormous stock portfolios or in offshore bank accounts, it would be in the hands of people who would buy houses, cars, furniture, vacations, retire to make room for the next generation, etc.

The Trickle Down Economic Theory never worked. As anyone could have predicted (and many did), instead of spending those tax profits on new factories or new opportunities or higher pay scales like we were promised, the Sociopathic Oligarchs only accumulated it at the top. When they did spend it, they spent it on political leverage to get more corporate welfare so they could accumulate even more wealth, at the expense of the working class, creating financial hoards which they sleep on like a Tolkienesque dragon.

Its time to give Trickle Up Economics a try. Make more money available to those at the bottom and middle, and see what happens. Raise wages, forgive student loans, offer free college and trade schools, give every citizen health care, etc. and it will create millions of jobs and stimulate the economy. Sure, the Oligarchs appreciate the efficiency of transferring the money directly from the government to their savings accounts, but the money from the Trickle Up stimulus will eventually reach them anyway, they just have to be a little patient and wait for it to help American families and the American economy first.

If they don't cooperate in this, then our society will spontaneously pivot to a Robin Hood Economy, and the Sociopathic Oligarchs won't like that one bit. We're already seeing the beginnings of it.

Read more about it :

New York Mag: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/09/rand-study-how-high-is-inequality-us.html

Fast Money: https://www.fastcompany.com/90550015/we-were-shocked-rand-study-uncovers-massive-income-shift-to-the-top-1

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[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The idea that it was common because that's what was depicted on TV ain't really so. Think about how many shows right now, and over the last 30 years, have had people living in NYC, in huge, modern apartments, while working as a cab driver. Or a waitress.

The truth is that our standard of living has increased; real purchasing power has gone up. But we also expect to do more, and have more. And the cost of essentials has increased faster than the cost of non-essentials, which makes the gains feel like they're being chewed up and spat out.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/comparing-the-costs-of-generations.html

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