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what if i want to use M as in Mancy.
That's how you get ants.
I've always enjoyed playing with folks who actually know this by giving them intentionally misleading cues. Instead of "E as in Echo", say "G as in Gecko". That sort of thing. Cuneiform, Frisky, Mango, Oubliette, Zima...
Because it almost never becomes more of a time-save to learn the phonetic alphabet than the 3 seconds it costs every 3 years when someone is saying "did you say a or h?" to me.
This only matters for people that regularly (at least once every few days) need to spell something out loud to someone, or if an error would lead to serious consequences. Almost no one is in those positions.
Yep, I only started to learn this when I needed it at work. People who use radios like police, fire, military, that makes sense. Otherwise, my girlfriend and I sometimes use it when we have trouble understanding each other.
I've been trying to use food items for the alphabet. Apple, banana, carrot, etc. It's not perfect but I like it.
Working in a call center, I can definitely agree that you don't need to know the proper NATO phonetic alphabet, because 'A as in apple' and 'M as in Mary' work just as well.
But I do wish more people would say something to that effect because I lose more than 3 seconds every day to 'Did you say N or M' while on the phones.
I picked up the NATO alphabet while working in a callcenter. I also picked up that most customers can't figure out what the heck you mean by "address it to Fort Worth spell Foxtrot Oscar Romeo Tango Whiskey Oscar Romeo Tango Hotel" so I shifted to only spelling sound-a-like letters phonetically "address it to Ashwaubenon spelled A-S-H-W-A-U-B as in Bravo-E-N as in Nancy-O-N as in Nancy"
100% this is the way. For short words I'll just spell it out and then do it in NATO such as 'That's Via benefits, V-I-A Victor India Alpha' and that also seems to register with them.
I speak to customer service representatives on the phone and when they ask for codes, I recite NATO to them. And they get confused.
"Please sir can you enter your product code?"
"Yeah it's one zulu foxtrox three niner..."
"Wat."
Pretty cool about the peace symbol
For something so commonly used, it's got some pretty glaring flaws. Most critically, 'golf' and 'mike' - single syllable, which over radio comms often doesn't sound like shit. Compare to something like 'oscar', which even if either half of it gets all staticky you still hear "osc--" or "--car" which is enough to still receive an accurate exchange of info.
My more whiny complaints are that the number of syllables are inconsistent, F and X use compound words instead of one single complete word which feels... icky... x gets a pass cuz x is always janky and x-ray is perfect. Some of the entries rhyme with commonly used words that could confuse someone who's either inexperienced or in a stressful situation like being shot at. For example, "echo" could be misheard as "gecko" and even though "gecko" isn't on the list, our brains do stupid shit when they're saturated with adrenaline, so something like this should be as absolutely idiot-proof as possible.
If I could magic that fucker into something new, I'd shoot for:
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every entry is exactly three syllables.
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no two of the same syllables in any entry can rhyme with those two syllables of another entry. I.E., "Uniform" and "Chloroform" are not compatible because syllables 2 and 3 are too similar.
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Each entry should be as common a word as possible, in as low/unspecialized a reading level as possible. I.E., "November" is recognizable by nearly everyone; vs something like "Ganglia" which is gibberish to anyone without specialty knowledge requiring them to be familiar with ganglia.
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No compound or multiple word entries.
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X gets a pass cuz x is always janky and x-ray is perfect.
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Prototype phonetic alphabet must be first scrutinized by a panel consisting of a linguist, a speech pathologist, an English teacher, a 7 year old, a highschooler, a geriatric with severe hearing loss, and a junior enlisted US Marine. Their job is to find any potential for confusion.
Adam Charlie Adam Boy
Doubly clever! For those that don't know, that's the code cops use. :)
There was a very large number of people who seem to want to write C for Sierra and it's really concerning.
Not only does it mean they've never heard of Sierra Leone which shows a distinct lack of geopolitical knowledge, but they've also never heard of Sierra software which shows that they're not worth talking to.
Also that they thought that the phonetic alphabet, created for making it less ambiguous to describe English letters verbally, would decide to use one of the exception cases to the pronunciation of the letter C where it takes on the identical sound to the letter S, to help avoid confusion.
I know about this. I still choose my own rules. Once I said "X for xylophone". It makes things fun.
As a Swedish IT technician, I use two phonetic alphabets.
The Swedish phonetic alphabet was created in the 1890s and first published in 1902, in the 1960s a few entries were changed to reduce the risk of confusion.
A - Adam
B - Bertil
C - Cesar
D - David
E - Erik
F - Filip
G - Gustav
H - Helge
I - Ivar
J - Johan
K - Kalle
L - Ludvig
M - Martin
N - Niklas
O - Olle (air traffic communications), Olof (military use)
P - Petter
Q - Qvintus
R - Rudolf
S - Sigurd
T - Tore
U - Urban
V - Viktor
W - Wilhelm
X - Xerxes
Y - Yngve
Z - Zäta
Å - Åke
Ä - Ärlig
Ö - Östen
FYI, the semaphore signs are shown from the listener's PoV, so if you are signing to someone, you have to mirror the directions you see in this image. So for example to send a J, you raise your right flag and point the left out level.
one of my last jobs needed me to use this for reading inventory locations to a crane operator over a phone. he always seemed slightly bemused that I didn't know the phonetic alphabet and had to make up my own phonetics for him
I can imagine the laughs at all the words you might have come up with. "It's at uhh..... Narwhal Sellotape Banana!"
A reminder though, to anyone who needs it - don't be condescending to others for not knowing things. Everything we know, we had to learn.
For me, I learnt the phonetic alphabet after getting frustrated one too many times trying to give my postal code and car reg on a bad phone line.
personally, I've always preferred this version:

I always thought we should add the Hot Shots! callsigns
"Copy that, Purple Fluffer Nutter."
"Roger that, Milli Vanilli Chilly Willy."
I remember someone screaming for a code down a phone line once and my mate started with the whole “G for gnome” , “P for pterodactyl” etc.
I laughed.
For years I thought U was unicorn.
Maybe it should be!
It can be! As long as they hear the U and know what you mean, who cares.