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Twice a year the entire country collectively agrees the clock change is annoying, unhealthy, and pointless, and then somehow we still keep doing it.
I recall this had gained momentum under Biden but ultimately failed for what I can only perceive as the GOP not wanting that W to happen under the Dems.
From what I understand parents were freaking out about having their kids outside in the dark either before or after school, I don't remember which. That's the only argument against it I think I've ever heard.
I used to wait at the bus stop in the winter at 6am when it was still pitch black out.
It would be light before the bus got there and dark again within two hours of getting home.
This was in Minneapolis, but I lived in the south side while going to a specialized program at North High, the other side of the city, so it wasn't typical.
Anywhere in the north quarter of the continental US already has kids waiting for the bus in the dark, regardless of DST. It's a poor argument from the get go
Yeah and they don’t heave time to enjoy the morning light before school anyway. It’s after school when we need the extra sun (which is still quite limited in northern states).
I mean you get screwed on one side of the equation anyway just because of sunlight hours shortening by the season. Hell, Alaskans have months without meaningful sunlight. And then months with basically 24h sunlight. Unless jobs were to adjust their hours with the seasons theres no way not to get screwed at some point.
There's an appreciable increase in cardiovascular events and car accidents when we lose an hour. For that reason alone we should stop the stupid clock changing.
Ah, North High. I played a bunch of flash games and watched the back half of the Naruto Chuunin Exams arc in the media center there since Cartoon Network’s website wasn’t blocked for some reason. Good times.
Which is so damn stupid. Either shut up, because the northern part of the country and other countries manage this without whinging about it,
OR get involved locally and change the school start time.
So just move it 30 minutes one last time and call it good.
So then it would be say 4pm on the East Coast of the US and something 30 in every other country? That would make things more confusing for everyone. The rest of the world would have to agree to this and that ain't happening.
Half hour time zones exist but year aren’t common
The rest of the world wouldn't have to agree to it, but I do think it would be a needless complication.
The rest of the world doesn’t need to agree.
Every place except Afghanistan.
I can't fathom how this isn't the answer. Seems like it would be a slam dunk.
Stock market. Everyone is waiting for NY to decide, because an hour shift has huge rippling effects for trading algorithms. It hasn't happened because of $$$, not because leaders care about kids.
Kids waiting for the bus in the dark is the most legitimate concern when it comes to this issue.
That's gonna happen anyway. There is no way to guarantee a reasonable sunrise time all year. I hate changing the clocks and like getting up after sunrise, but nothing is more dispiriting than going home from work in the dark, and there would be less of that with permanent DST.
Thing is there is a correct and scientifically proven beneficial time (normal time) and one that idiot propaganda is successfully pushing because people positively associate it with summer (even often calling daylight saving time summer time instead).
So not moving on with the discussion was actually the better option.
Agreed. I'm all for making solar time stay in place year-round, but it's insanity to mandate we always use the wrong time.
I'd rather it get dark at 9:30 in summer and 5:30 in winter than 8:30 in summer and 4:30 in winter.
I'd rather have dark mornings than dark afternoons.
I'd rather have noon the accurate year-around. I can't switch when the sun is the highest. All other things I can reschedule.
I don't get this argument. The day doesn't change no matter what the numbers are. Just do something when it's light or dark when you want to. That's it.
Changing the clock itself alters the amount of light left when people get off work.
We could've just left the clocks alone, and instead made it mandatory that businesses reduce working hours by an hour or two in the winter, while maintaining the same pay. But since the government is corporate captured, that would never pass.
In our current system of daylight savings, corporations get the same amount of work hours, while all the workers are forced to adjust. It's a pro-corporate compromise.
It's similar to how studies show that 4-day work weeks boost mental health and productivity, but corporations don't like the idea, so a law mandating 4-day work weeks without a reduction in pay would never pass, despite it benefitting society.
This doesn't make any sense to me. They get the same amount of work hours no matter what the clock says.
Also the daylight time will vary depending on what latitude you are on, so I am not getting this argument.
In any case I do think it's up to each community to figure out what day and night are, and like some I have lived in they adjust summer hours vs winter hours for the reasons of shifting the activities to when they wanted them to occur. Not changing the clocks, just what hours they wanted to collectively do things.
I think you may be conflating my two paragraphs together. The first paragraph explains why they collectively change their clocks forward or backward an hour. It's because most US businesses do not have alternate hours for different seasons.
My second paragraph is an alternate proposal, by me, that would avoid the need to change the clocks at all, while as a side effect giving people an extra hour of their life for themselves.
I just fail to understand how it's pro corporate compromise. Seems to me it's costs them far more in managing time zone changes than not.
I consider it pro-corporate because companies generally prefer if workers worked more hours, even if it doesn't result in financial gains. This is evidenced by the fact that 4-day work weeks increase productivity and thus profits, but corporations a generally very against the idea regardless.
Corporations are usually bottom-line/profit focused, but they have some weird exceptions when it comes to improving worker conditions. Work from Home decreases operating costs and increases worker health, yet many corporations fight it tooth and nail.
Another examples is when Eastern Airlines was on the verge of bankruptcy. As a last ditch effort, the CEO (Frank Borman, previously the Commander on Apollo 8) decided to make a deal with the workers that gave them a fairly radical amount of horizontal control.
Doing so drastically increased productivity and profits, but Frank Borman was given tons of shit by other business owners for essentially not keeping the workers under his foot, telling him he should just let the company fold rather than give the workers that much power, just on a matter of principle.
I think reducing working hours slightly to account for less daylight makes sense from a humanistic perspective, but I believe that concept would be heavily opposed by corporations, since they would prefer to waste money and have a more tired work force than to normalize reducing work hours.
Yeah I get that corporations are antiworker, but I am not sure why they care about daylight savings. They get the same work length either way. I suppose you could be saying it's just a happenstance benefit.
Still corporations typically cross times zones and places like Arizona who don't change their clocks at all show that I am not sure why it would matter to then either way.
Daylight savings only shifts when a work day begins and ends, it does not alter the total number of hours worked.
To put it another way, a job that is 9:00am to 5:00pm means you will work 8 hours total. If everyone shifts their clock 1 hour back for daylight savings, you will still work a total of 8 hours, you just start and end those 8 hours shifted 1 hour earlier in comparison to non-daylight savings time.
My proposal is to change the total number of work hours seasonally, meaning in areas where it gets darker sooner, they would work 1 hour less than they normally would for same amount of pay.
So in the winter, businesses could be mandated by law to change work hours from 9:00am to 4:00pm. Or if you want to be really radical, remove 2 whole hours by making them 10:00am to 4:00pm.
This removes the need for daylight savings entirely, as then people can simply sleep in a bit more until the sun comes out, and head home earlier while the sun is still out.
The businesses won't like that idea, as they don't want workers to work less total hours at their businesses, even if it likely would result in higher profits from happier, more rested workers being more productive. Businesses would push for daylight savings instead of reducing work hours, because they are assholes.
I don't see the need for daylight savings either way, but you proposal for a shorter workday seasonally seems fine.
Except for the places that dont really lose much morning or evening, should that have to do this too?
In practical terms, people like to be able to do their own personal, non-work outdoor activities while the sun is out. Daylight savings is intended to make it so that people on a normal day-shift have access to more sunlight during their personal activities after they get off work (or out of School), since work hours do not change or account for the reduced amount of time the sun is out for certain seasons. You can read more of the rationale on why it was created here.
I would say yes. It would be unfair to punish people living in areas with more sunlight with more work hours, and would remove a potential cause for logistical issues.
Besides, working less and having more free time is healthier for a population anyway.
Yeah, I'd rather bright mornings, and so here we are at an impasse!
Just leave it, it is what it is. Or shit, make the following Monday a holiday, how about that. Give us an extra 24 hours to adjust.
There is no wrong time. It's arbitrary numbers it doesn't matter what you call the number at.
Nah it's just numbers. A day length is real, but the numbers we lay on it, hours and minutes, are just ways to split it up. There's no magic to calling the direct overhead sun 12, and that doesn't happen at the edges of time zones under either scheme anyway.
You could get it with a sundial, just have longer day "hours" in summer and longer night "hours" in winter.
Calling science (biology in this case) bullshit sums up a US-centric discussion perfectly...
This goes up for vote almost yearly at this point and fails because no one can agree on which schedule to use.
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Known liar too.
Pledged to donate a ton of money to climate change organizations. As of tracking it until 2 years ago, he had actually donated only 3% of the pledge.