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First of all, again, I want to stress that what's more important is the class outlook, not the location. Urban vs. Rural living has some impact, but this is subordinate to the class makeup of cities vs. the countryside.
Either way, cities are not "individualist." I don't know what you mean by individualism if you believe them to be individualist, and individualism is not associated with secularism. The proletariat is collectivist in that their path to liberation is in collectivizing the means of production, genuine individualists are largely small business owners and self-employed people that seek to retain their autonomy.
As for religion and the ruling class, lords and masters generally claimed that they deserved to be there by divine right. Religious values also generally pushed ideas like glorifying the impoverished, in other words trying to placate the people and prevent them from looking at the actual material reasons why they were being impoverished while the masters and feudal lords were wealthy.
As for a book explaining European colonialism and the slave trade, I recommend highly Walter Rodney's How Europe Underdeveloped Africa. It's solid gold, and Rodney was assassinated shortly after its writing.
I don't know what you mean by "fascism as a concept exists outside of the communist framework." Communist analysis is not something we impose upon the world, but is the way we analyze it. I have no idea what you believe fascism to be. As for Russia, it was imperialist under the Tsar, then the Soviets liberated the Tsar's colonies. The modern Russian Federation isn't imperialist, it has no colonies nor neocolonies and has been kept outside of the international financial oligarchy by the west. They tried to join NATO a few decades ago and join the west in plundering the world, but the west shut them out as they wished to recolonize Russia, and as such Russia had no colonies to inherit from the soviets (who were deliberately anti-colonial) and no colonies to gain.
As for capitalism and growth, that's not inherently a problem. The problems are that capitalism is focused on profit, and that it needs growth to survive, which leads to imperialism once domestic markets are saturated. Here's Marx on the subject:
As for your questions on culture and linguistics becoming homogenous, this is actually one of the most important conversations in Marxism, known as the "national question." Right now I am trying to focus on it in my own studies as it isn't something definitively answered like other questions have been. As such, I cannot give a satisfactory answer to this question as it's still ongoing, and there are those that believe either path. Perhaps in the far, far future this will all come into one "human" identity, but at the present moment indigenous rights are critical, as national liberation and autonomy is a prerequisite for socialism to begin in the first place.
As for differences in how conservative social views are frequently uneven, I'd have to have specific examples. The better way to frame it though is not as conservativism as a deliberate choice, but through which avenues is progress happening more or less rapidly. In general, West Asia is a hot topic of imperialism as its where the petro-dollar is solidified, and as such much conflict is going on. Conflict slows social progress, stability helps accelerate it.
As for individual traits, for them to have an impact in distinguishing nations, they'd have to be based on ethnicity, rather than evenly randomly distributed. That's why I said this is more race theory, individuals do have different traits but this is not understood to be on the basis of "race."
By individualist I mean ideas such as focusing on the self, putting oneself first and not sacrificing oneself to fit in with or satisfy the wants or needs of the herd. This attitude is more common in urban regions than rural, which I've considered collectivist thus far. By collectivism I mean focusing on the herd and (unhealthy) self-sacrifice for the sake of others, often relinquishing individual want or need when it conflicts with group sensibilities. Collectivism is more traditional family values and churchy (not always). This is why I think individualism tends to be linked w secularism. I know you're stressing class as the distinguishing factor and not location, but understanding the urban population as proletariat and thus collectivist doesn't make sense to me as per the above.
We probably have a different understanding of individualism/collectivism; what's yours?
I am not a communist, so I'm not going to default to communist analysis, of course. What I understand by fascism is state suppression of the people of a country; this is associated with things such as surveillance, authoritarianism, policing, and other far-right tendencies which are opposed to progress (hate against immigrants, "illegals", BIPOC, LGBT, etc). There might be a military aspect to it as well.
The modern Russian state has occupied Crimea and they are currently in the process of unjustified imperialist aggravations against Ukraine which is really a violent land-grab ("but they were tryna join NATO" is BS excuse to start an occupation), but if you support Russia in the conflict this isn't something we need to get into.
Specific example: compare trans rights in Saudi vs Pakistan
GAC is banned in Saudi (only available as "sex correction" for hermaphrodites), while it is legal and state-funded in Pakistan; changing one's gender is illegal in the former while the latter allows people to self-identify as their chosen name and gender legally.
I believe it's a similar situation comparing UAE to Iran in this regard.
They're all conservative hellscapes but I don't understand the unevenness in their conservativism.
Can you elaborate?
Is there evidence to suggest individual traits are evenly or randomly distributed across nations?
The problem here is that individualism isn't an urban thing, but an aspect of the petite bourgeoisie, think small business owners. Urban areas generally are more pro-social than "fuck you, I got mine," because production in cities is more socialized. When you are describing "collectivism," you're describing not collectivism but instead the communitarian aspects of traditional family units, which also change according to the mode of production.
To go back and re-explain individualism, communalism, and collectivism, think of it in terms of whose interests are primary. Individualists value themselves, communalists value their immediate communities, and collectivists value the entirety of society. This is of course an oversimplification as everything I've been explaining thus far has been.
Regarding fascism, I am referring to the historic phenomenon of fascism. Fascism evolved from liberalism, and rose in countries that were faced with the potential for working class organization internally, and a capitalist class in need of new colonies. This is true of Italy and Germany, and the US Empire in its settler-colonial heritage through today. It sounds like you are trying to redefine fascism from an observed phenomenon itself, to instead a way of categorizing systems, which is weaker in that it erases how to stop fascism entirely and how to predict where it rises.
As for Russia, annexing Crimea and the Donbass regions isn't imperialism, Russia isn't colonizing them. Both voted to join the Russian Federation. Russia is not a global monopolist power, it's a nationalist country encircled by imperialists, hence why the war was sparked in the first place. NATO and the west is at fault for installing a Banderite regime in 2014, and violating the Minsk Agreements that were meant to avoid this conflict and resolve the Ukrainian Civil War between the Donbass and Kiev.
As for Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, both have very different political climates, stages in social progress, and levels of development. You're reading too much into religion as a sole determinent.
As for how to view social progress, progress happens over time through struggle. Countries do not decide to be conservative, they have different stages in the development of the social struggle, how far it has gone.
As for individual traits being randomly distributed, again, it sounds like you're arguing that different cultures are different at a genetic level, similar to how colonizers said those in Madagascar were naturally more submissive and wanted to be dominated by Europeans. I am not saying you are saying that, but it sounds like your argument can go in that direction, which is why you need to rethink it.
I'm not sure what other term (besides fascism) I would use to describe what I did. Liberalism espouses a value for democracy, so at first glance it seems strange that would lead to fascism, although liberal democracies have been decried as a sham. How do you define fascism?
But you're preventing a line of reasoning from being discussed not because of evidence/reasoning, but because of the way it has gone in a certain direction in the past. That doesn't seem reasonable to me; if there isn't evidence that the distribution of innate traits is even or randomly distributed it's not a justified belief. I think this is a case of a slippery slope fallacy.
Simply because there are no superior or inferior races does not mean racial differences don't exist.
Liberalism is largely justification for capitalism, and has been used to justify colonialism. There's a difference between the whitewashed idea of liberalism, and what it has been used to justify. Fascism is when a bourgeois state faces crisis, and therefore needs to violently assert itself. It's the logic of colonialism, but domestic and not international.
As for preventing a line of reasoning, I don't believe I am, but you are now teetering into race theory. Trying to justify different cultures on genetic differences between people is back to that liberal justification to colonialism.
But you can find examples of any ideology being used to justify atrocities?
Either there is evidence for random or even distribution, or there is not.
Liberalism was created to advance bourgeois interests in overthrowing feudalism, and justifying the new capitalist order. It's tied directly to colonialism.
As for race science, it's bogus and not a real thing.
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I've done that a few times before, haha.
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that's not what I said, but we're probably not going to be making progress there.
It's basically where you're leading it down, though, trying to place cultural differences on genetics.