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Now that you defined the different groups of lumpenproletariat, I do wonder how useful they can truly be for revolutionary activities (their desperation could be used by the bourgeoisie more easily due to simply having more capital to pay them to fight the proletariat or have their running-dogs, also known as police, go after them). If it were possible, it would be better to proletarianize them, but I am unsure how that could happen.
Thanks for saying that "it's great that you stumbled across it", because I was not sure if it was a question people would care enough to answer. Honestly, I think that they are a pretty dangerous element of the proletarian population due to the examples you gave, but if only they could be allied with the proletariat ...
No, I'm really glad you asked this question. Living in the hood, I had a nebulous idea I couldn't trust the dboyz and their stables. Now I know to save my breath so I can plant seeds in more fertile soil!
Thank you! ๐ซก
"dboyz" and their "stables"? Slang terms I do not know about :0 Also, you are welcome! I hope you are in a better situation right now.
Dope boys (drug dealers https://rapdictionary.com/meaning/d-boy/) stables (prostitutes ["fillies," https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/filly but tbh some are 60+, so "nags" https://petreader.net/why-are-horses-called-nags/])
Sorry for so many edits. If you hear any of these terms, above or below, you may be unknowingly witnessing human trafficking.
https://sharedhope.org/the-problem/trafficking-terms/
Well I never heard of these terms before (it is not like I want to research that topic) but thanks for telling me.
I mean, it's not like I knew and planned on finding out. All I can say is, the woo phrase, "rejection is [G-d's] protection," is the honest truth!
Edit: in a way I'm in a better situation. I know what terms actually mean, as opposed to what I thought I knew them to mean.
Learn the terms. The life you save may be your own. And don't say it can't happen to you. All it takes is say, a husband leaving you, while unbeknownst to you, two months behind on rent, so you rent the first place that happens to be available.
Of course, I will keep what you said in mind. Hope you stay safe!
I'm as safe as it gets. And I'm not trafficked, nor have I been as I'm my own adult (I'm not ready to talk about childhood yet, and don't touch it, ~~in~~ I'm currently on a seven day work week; I've discussed it with my therapist ~~even~~ when I had one). I refused to go into agreement and "keep to the code." Some say it's more dangerous that way. I don't think so.
Well, the important bit to focus on is that lumpenproletariats lack any sort of class conscioussness, and they can't acquire it due to their experiences and character. That doesn't mean all criminals are lumpenproletariats.
Like another person said, the Black Panthers showed that people typically considered lumpenproletariats by Marx and Engels, could be reformed and made revolutionary. But that's a topic that requires study and discussion.
I don't mean this as a huge criticism of the Black Panthers, but couldn't they be taken as proof that this doesn't work as a strategy? They seem to have had a big issue with infiltrators/informants, which seems to be the expected weakness of organizing within a class that isn't class conscious.
It'd be nice to have a real critical analysis of the BPP. I feel like they had one of the better understandings of conditions in the U$, but I think if their theory was perfect they'd have been successful.
Hmm, I read about their history on Marxists.org (though I have not read any of the supporting documents) and I think a major problem with the idea of them potentially becoming a general Marxist-Leninist party with a vanguard (if the FBI did not murder each member twice over) was that they did not support the idea of white members of the party; this paints them as a Black liberation group that was reinforced by Marxism-Leninism (alongside Maoism and Juche) rather than a Marxist-Leninist party fighting for all proletarians with Black liberation as one of the issues they were to tackle; the issue here is that a Black liberation party with a Marxist-Leninist spine ends up not focusing on White workers (who I know are beneficiaries of White supremacy, but they are still proletarians) and they suffer the fate of not being able to form a vanguard capable of leading the masses (though their achievements and goals were nothing to scoff at or insult).
It also begs the question of whether or not they allowed bourgeois Black people into the party: if they did permit such people to join, then their argument about white people should have been applied to the bourgeoisie here, so their action would come across as hypocritical; and if they did not, then that means they uphold bizarre purism that skipped practicality (having bourgeoisie means access to resources that would be difficult or impossible to acquire otherwise) for theoretical emphases in more aspects than one, which further proves the point that they were not going to become an all-proletariat Marxist-Leninist party (and they did not seem like they were trying to, which is why I do not blame them for it).
An all-proletarian Marxist-Leninist party would need to represent the proletariat in general (including Whites, but there will definitely be more of color because of how Whites still benefit from White supremacy), and should not exclude pro-communist bourgeoisie from joining (this might be controversial) both due to the practical benefits of having a member of the ruling class with communist goals in mind, though the party should always have the proletariat as their ideological focus.
Though I am still somewhat ignorant of their history, so please correct me if I am wrong please. :>
Edit: https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/ is the source.
True, being a criminal does not necessarily make you a lumpenproletarian (otherwise the wealthy bourgeoisie committing tax evasion would be lumpenproletarian... if they were actually persecuted). It seems like it specifically includes those at the bottom of society.
Well I mean the black panthers didn't succeed and got destroyed, I wouldn't hold them up as the exemplarities non-ultra.