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Ghislaine is sitting in prison, if a nice cushy prison.
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Gender and class issues are intertwined.
Sure but class inequality is what exacerbates gender inequality. Under capitalism anyone who is working class is forced to sell their labor to survive. Women are inherently disadvantaged here because their labor is required for social reproduction. Even assuming an equal distribution of housework and raising kids women have to do the unpaid work of pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, etc. Capitalists will therefore discount the value of a women’s labor regardless of her individual capabilities or productive output. As a result women are often forced to depend on the men in their lives for financial stability.
Conservatives are hell bent on normalizing this unnatural inequality between the sexes because doing so protects the underlying class inequality between owners and workers. This is what helps to create a sexist culture that even wealthy women have to endure. However, a woman who can live off of the growth of her investments is not facing the full weight of gender inequality that a working class woman must contend with. She does not have to deal with the threat of homelessness, hunger, and poverty that keeps many working class women dependent on men. Her financial stability is already assured because of her class position and the exploitation of the working class. That gives her far more freedoms than even most working class men.
The obvious solution to the problem is to upend capitalism which is what reinforces class. That creates the possibility of actually valuing reproductive labor and giving universal financial independence to all women. If you just try to address gender inequality alone without upending capitalism you won’t be able to succeed. Even if somehow you did, the vast majority of inequality would remain because most inequality can be explained by class alone. So while its true that gender and class issues are interrelated, abolishing class creates the conditions necessary to abolish gender inequality.
This but in reverse! If you just try to crush capitalism without eradicating gender inequality you will probably fail. If the working class isn't even united and equal between its genders how could you muster the strength to abolish the upper class?
There’s a difference between rejecting sexism within a movement and trying to abolish gender inequality. I agree that the former is important for building solidarity. However the latter is likely impossible under capitalism.
Idk sort of agree, systemically.
If you are of high enough class, gender aint a problem.
Either way, its the class that I have a problem with regardless whether one gender or another.
I promise I wont discriminate here, believe me.
Gender is still a problem as you move up in class. A rich woman will have more protections than a poor woman, but not as much protection as a rich man.
Depends who’s richer
Take a wild fucking guess what gender the majority of the upper class is.
You can be pedantic all you want, but gender and class are not separate issues.
You’re not making an argument that I don’t understand or have an opposing view for.
Im saying its of secondary importance. And if you want an equal proportion of B$ out there, I still want them all at the bottom of the ocean.
This is the opposing view of mine. They're equal in importance because we can't have class solidarity without gender equality.
I’m not sure that’s really a foregone conclusion or what evidence you have to say we can’t all be against billionaires without having gender equality.
I am for gender equality, but it really isn’t required for class solidarity.
At least I understand why you are so tenaciously stuck to this perspective now. So please tell my why it is we need the gender issues to be solved simultaneously.
Maybe we can’t have gender equality until we solve the class one, that makes sense to me.. the ruling class are mainly responsible for sustaining the culture divide.
How do we even begin to work towards class solidarity if we’re to ignore the subjugation of women?
Asking me the question (and you’re repeating yourself at this point) isn’t helping me see how this is so. Im not saying you’re wrong, but the gender issue isn’t a barrier to the class issue.
Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
If women in the lower classes are not seen as equals to their peers in the same class, how can we possibly believe that class solidarity is achievable? I'm sincerely asking you how you are able to envision any level of solidarity while simultaneously supporting women being treated as lesser than men.
Choosing the larger battle of class issues isn't saying you support the Patriarchy, it's correctly identifying one of the major support structure for the patriarchy that must be dismantled for gender equality to even be a realistic possibility.
And I disagree that we must ignore gender equality in order to have class solidarity.
My bad, I mistook you for a serious adult. If I'd read the rest of the thread before replying I'd have realized you're an IdPol wokescold with a serious case of "liking pancakes means hating waffles" kind of thinking.
Have a nice life.
I should start to get prizes for how many men get offended by my "scolding" lol
I’m smoking a fat fucking joint in your honor tonight 💚
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I don't know how many different ways I can say that I am agreeing with you, fundamentally, that is something worth solving. You continue to frame it as if I'm against if I'm not fully agreeing that these things need to be of absolutely equal priority.
Again, you're not supporting your argument by asking me this. And I've already given an example. It can be done entirely without balancing all the other conflicting cultural humors, and has been in the past.
How will we achieve it? I don't suggest we start reinventing the wheel. Same ol' same ol'.
All of the other cultural stratification issues we deal with are extensibly maintained by the power that is held by the rulers. If we are going to talk about gender, then we should also talk about race, and also ableism, and political alignment and all the other juxtapositions of cultural conflict that make up the many-headed hydra of inequality.
You want the egalitarian life, and so do i. But I think you can't beat a hydra by cutting off one of it's heads. You cut out its heart and you burn it.