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When will the liberal party pass the electoral reform they were elected to pass?
They will with enough pressure. This negative attitude is useless.
Pressure as it "voting for other people" and "nationwide general strike" or pressure as in "Thoughts and prayers" online?
Because the first isn't going to happen, as evident by this election, and the second hasn't achieved anything so far, and will continue to achive nothing because it isn't actually pressure.
That's such a strawman as I have never said to "only vote." There are many things people can do to pressure the government.
I didn't say you said to only vote. I said voting out the current two parties is unrealistic.
So what do you propose we do that will convince the government to give up their power, short of voting them out or a general strike?
It worked in Quebec, the bloc supplanted the conservatives and liberals in many of their ridings. We need to have more regional parties and a larger push for proportional representation from the conservatives and liberals. Blue and Red are only so powerful thanks to our donations, volunteering and positive reinforcements. Take that away and they will be shells of their formerselves.
You do realize the block lost a third of their seats? The whole problem with the current system is that unless you can get the entirely country to simultaneously change who they back, you just further entrench whichever party is worse. Your solution boils down to, "Get people to support smaller parties instead." That doesn't work in a two party system, as evidenced by the current condition of our voting system, and by every other FPTP country out there.
The only way the current system changes is an organized, country-wide show of resistance that actually hurts the rich and powerful. This probably means a general strike. Unfortunately, people aren't going to be willing to rock the boat until things start to get unlivable, and by that point extremists and grifters will be firmly entrenched and will seize power instead.
You can do both have a general strike and support smaller parties who are much more pro-union.
https://cupe.ca/our-election-system-unfair-we-can-make-it-better
My point is that neither of these methods work, because they require simultaneous support from large portions of the country. Canada is too complacent for that.
Even when it came to trying to prevent a Trump brown-noser from become Prime-Minister by putting an X on a peice of paper, we couldn't get 70% participation. Do you really think we can get even 10% of people to strike? Or like 50% of people to vote for small parties simultaneously?
Thats obviously not to say it isn't worth trying, but its absurd to expect results at this point.
You don't succeed the first time. That's why you adjust and try different methods.
That's certainly not true as the canadians give the liberals a minority so they're forced to compromise with the smaller parties that's how we got universal heatlhcare.
You're missing my point. Under FPTP, small parties are rapidly shrinking and losing power. Outside the two party system, only 30 seats are held currently (down from 59), and this will continue to shrink.
The only directly political way this will change is if BQ and NDP form an alliance to force election reform through. How likely do you really think that is, given their lack of action in the past?
Indirectly, you need en-masse, organized voting for small parties and or a massive, enconomy threatening strike. Neither is going to happen unless things get MUCH worse.
Eh the smaller parties didn't resonate with people so much this time around and we were closer to a 2-party state in the past. I mean we had the unionist party supplant the conservatives and liberals during ww1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Canadian_federal_election
Being negative is cheap and doesn't inspire anyone. That's what the powerful few want. I want to hear solutions not complaining.
I mean, a World War and the resulting turmoil probably would be enough to dislodge the conservatives today. Thats exactly the sort of "MUCH worse" I was talking about.
No, but neither does lying. Saying "Just support the small parties more" isn't a realistic fix in our current system, nor does any other, "sit at home and hope things improve strategy." Large scale organization is needed, and letting people think it'll get better with their inaction only helps the established parties too.
The only way it'll get better is if people get angry and force the government to listen - look at any rights movement ever. Lying to people won't get them off their asses. What might, is the realization that things will keep getting worse unless they actually step-up and start organizing.
Of course you claim in bad faith that anyone who doesn't agree with you is "just sitting at home and not doing anything"
Your negativity isn't going work in getting people out at the streets protesting more. I'm not going to let 2 corporate political parties continue to whip their mps to "play along or else" go unchallenged as that would be way worse for the working class of this country in the long run.
We need to push for:
Political party diversity
Unions
Cooperatives
Small grocers
Green Credit Unions
Proportional Representation
Independent Media Outlets
Public Transit
Tenants Unions
Government officials to use the fediverse
Protections for marginalized people
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@PlzGivHugs @Sunshine The distortions of FPTP greatly serve the Bloc, so it is doubtful they'd join in. E.g. in this election BQ and NDP received about 6% of the vote but got 22 and 7 seats, respectively.
Ahh, here's the tankie...
Its a stretch but I'm hoping with a liberal minority there is chance the NDP could advocate for electoral reform as negotiation point. Its a stretch but I feel like its the only way it could happen.
Thats the fun part, they never do. Then we Anarchists get blamed for not voting hard enough
how come no one remembers that WE had a referendum for voting reform and WE voted it down? everyone keeps blaming the liberals when it was the dumb ass population who fucked that up.